Do I understand this correctly?

If I have Ozzie Smith '92 at SS and Tony Phillips '93 at 2b, they will field better behind Adam Wainwright than they would behind Pete Alexander?

So, the pitcher selection determines the quality of the gloves the fielders have to use and the surface they play on?

If this is true, it will take a while to get used to.

And so much for A+ outfielders helping 1886 pitchers to survive???

That's my understanding. Also that the batter plays a role. Your MI/P combination will have better fielding with Troy Tulowitzki batting than it will with Billy Hamilton up.

That sounds pretty ridiculous. To have pitchers and batters affect a players fielding is beyond logics. For so many reasons it's the wrong path to a solution...

It's going to morph the game into a whole other dimension than what this is supposed to be, baseball...

There are numbers you can 'normalize' and others you just can't... especially NOT this way...

My head is going to explode.

I'm just going to pretend this update never happened and draft as if nothing changed. I'll see you guys in the TOC.

I'm going to need to see a new powerpoint from Admin to break this down for me.

Ozzie Smith '92 is now an A/A fielder. In numbers, that's 11/11.

So, here's the way I think it works. In 2009, he's an 11/11 in a 10-world and in 1915, he's an 11/11 in, say, a 7 world. This doesn't mean that he drops from 11/11 to 8/8, it means that he retains the same relationship to a 12/12 or a 9/9 that he had in 1992, whether he's in 2009 or 1915.

He'll make more errors in the 1915 context, but will still be better by some percentage than the 9/9 fielder in the same context.

Having said that, there is really not a world of difference between an 11/11 and a 9/9, so I expect that we're all going to notice the difference between the 2009 context and 1915 more than the difference between individual players.

In the beginning of this post-update world, we're all going to be reacting initially to small statistical samples. Sqwaks will be forthcoming from those who have bad luck -- but it's going to take a lot more games to see how this plays out.

dtownlove may be right: the best approach may be to pretend this update never happened...

National League fielding percentage was .984 in 2009 and .964 in 1915.

Ozzie fielded .985 in 1992.

In a 2009 season, he should make 10 errors; in a 1915 season, he should make 24 errors.

I guess that's the way this is supposed to play out.

In '79, Larry Bowa fielded .991 with only 6 errors. In '12, Honus Wagner fielded .962 with 32 errors. Bowa '79 is A+/D+ and Wagner '12 is now B+/A. So, if I have this figured out at all, then Wagner will field about .980 in the 1979 context and make, say, 12 errors instead of 32...

Of course, in real life Honus Wagner would probably be Troy Tulowitzki in today's context (even at the age of 135, ahem).

I've toyed with this idea for a while.

When creating a team, a year should be specified just as a stadium is specified. The year should be one for which that stadium actually saw action.

Performance should be determined by the year and stadium that the game is being played in.

Having Ozzie's fielding go to hell at the new Yankee stadium just because Pete Alexander is pitching is just stupid.

When it comes to simulated baseball logic, this is the dumbest idea I have ever heard.

Quote: Originally posted by dtownlove10 on 10/14/2009My head is going to explode.   I'm just going to pretend this update never happened and draft as if nothing changed.   I'll see you guys in the TOC. 

Yes that is a good way to go.Unless you always picked less then 1250 innings and or 5000Pa that is

Quote: Originally Posted By thurst63 on 10/14/2009

Quote: Originally posted by dtownlove10 on 10/14/2009
My head is going to explode.

I'm just going to pretend this update never happened and draft as if nothing changed. I'll see you guys in the TOC.

Yes that is a good way to go.Unless you always picked less then 1250 innings & or 5000Pa that is

I'm usually close to both of those amounts but I don't play in NON-theme leagues.

I really do plan to draft as if nothing changed to see if I can notice a difference.

Me too.

I think I am going to draft my regular type team and see what happens -- then make adjustments later. I was pleased to see some of my favorite guys actually go lower (1946 Greenberg, 1931 Hornsby), but my favorite catcher (1978 Gary Alexander) went up over $3mil.

Quote: Originally Posted By gbonini on 10/15/2009...I was pleased to see some of my favorite guys actually go lower... but my favorite catcher (1978 Gary Alexander) went up over $3mil.

Yeah, the biggest bargains in the sim are some of the cheapest players, like '89 Fletcher or '99 Erstad. Those guys have gone waaay up. Its gonna be real tough to build a $40M team.

Quote: Originally posted by doubletruck on 10/14/2009Sqwaks will be forthcoming from those who have bad luck.

Ya think?