Majiques Farewell Post Proving Very Accurate Topic

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In Div1A, when I see a QB, ranked 31, from a small market school throw for 1830 yards in three playoff game at a 70% clip it's quite an eye opener. The players being thrown to are ranked 63-120. So typical small conference talent. Players who wouldn't even start on the teams they are putting up those ridiculous numbers against.


Be careful what you wish for. In real life lesser talented teams beat more talented teams. I get being upset if the "hack" was discovered during development because a user was privy to what we aren't. How are we to know that someone is not a wizard with the 1's and 0's? Also, it seems that at the end of the day, talent still trumps all as far as NC go.

5/24/2024 4:36 PM
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What sucks is that I don't know for sure who to tip my cap to when they beat me and who not to.
The folks using the "hack" undermine the top guys doing it the right way.

I also think some using the "hack" are pretty smart as to when they use it. They save it for the games that they need it...but I think that actually stands out and raises flags. Some outcomes don't make sense...like they purposely have two different teams they roll out. They often will beat very good elite teams by far more then they beat average teams or even Sims.
5/24/2024 8:25 PM
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Posted by airraiddevil on 5/24/2024 8:25:00 PM (view original):
What sucks is that I don't know for sure who to tip my cap to when they beat me and who not to.
The folks using the "hack" undermine the top guys doing it the right way.

I also think some using the "hack" are pretty smart as to when they use it. They save it for the games that they need it...but I think that actually stands out and raises flags. Some outcomes don't make sense...like they purposely have two different teams they roll out. They often will beat very good elite teams by far more then they beat average teams or even Sims.
Agree. The non power 5 team that got my attention is flaunting it. Using a QB that should be in div 1AA and the leading receiver is a freshman with no FIQ with a 75% catch rate. Throwing up 60+ on a top 3 team in the nation. 800+ passing on a power 5 team. The closer I look the worse it gets.

The other couple of teams I'm pretty sure uses it at least have good teams.
5/24/2024 9:35 PM
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Posted by realist9900 on 5/24/2024 9:35:00 PM (view original):
Posted by airraiddevil on 5/24/2024 8:25:00 PM (view original):
What sucks is that I don't know for sure who to tip my cap to when they beat me and who not to.
The folks using the "hack" undermine the top guys doing it the right way.

I also think some using the "hack" are pretty smart as to when they use it. They save it for the games that they need it...but I think that actually stands out and raises flags. Some outcomes don't make sense...like they purposely have two different teams they roll out. They often will beat very good elite teams by far more then they beat average teams or even Sims.
Agree. The non power 5 team that got my attention is flaunting it. Using a QB that should be in div 1AA and the leading receiver is a freshman with no FIQ with a 75% catch rate. Throwing up 60+ on a top 3 team in the nation. 800+ passing on a power 5 team. The closer I look the worse it gets.

The other couple of teams I'm pretty sure uses it at least have good teams.
You said in your initial post that the QB is ranked 31. Sounds like he should still be a D1A QB to me, and not D1AA. Shoot, that's still a top 32 D1A playoff QB. There are several factors that play into success. I don't think there's a "hack", but instead coaches who know how to execute and maximize their talent better. A D1AA QB, as you call it, can do very well in the right system with high FIQ in D1A. This happens IRL all the time. I've beaten plenty of Elites with non-BCS schools before and it wasn't because of an exploit. I've also been on the other side of it. With the right defensive talent and game plan that type of offense can be slowed down considerably, especially paired with your own offense that sustains drives and controls the clock.

It's easy to throw out accusations when you don't completely understand something or have the complete picture, but it denigrates the other person and their accomplishments. They, too, spent considerable time building and putting their team together.
5/25/2024 1:05 PM
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I wish i knew of a hack it would have saved me alot of time, there are some coaches out there that have my number and I just chalk it up to they have a better understanding of internet football than I do. There is a formula for moving the chains with short and medium passes and a balanced run game and defense does not make sense when short coverage is the best way to defend medium passes but these things are far from secret
5/25/2024 11:08 PM
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Posted by mpmershon on 5/25/2024 11:08:00 PM (view original):
I wish i knew of a hack it would have saved me alot of time, there are some coaches out there that have my number and I just chalk it up to they have a better understanding of internet football than I do. There is a formula for moving the chains with short and medium passes and a balanced run game and defense does not make sense when short coverage is the best way to defend medium passes but these things are far from secret
I honestly didn't know about the short coverage and defending medium passes...gracias!
5/25/2024 11:58 PM
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So basically in this thread and the original Majique started, we have no true examples of teams using this "hack"....ok then.

Upsets happen in real life, new offenses emerge too. Figure out how to stop it if so, just like in real life. More often than not, on here and real, talent wins the majority of the time. If there were no chances of upsets, what is the point of playing?

But in the end, nothing to see here until someone breaks down actual examples.

5/26/2024 5:49 AM
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Posted by realist9900 on 5/24/2024 9:35:00 PM (view original):
Posted by airraiddevil on 5/24/2024 8:25:00 PM (view original):
What sucks is that I don't know for sure who to tip my cap to when they beat me and who not to.
The folks using the "hack" undermine the top guys doing it the right way.

I also think some using the "hack" are pretty smart as to when they use it. They save it for the games that they need it...but I think that actually stands out and raises flags. Some outcomes don't make sense...like they purposely have two different teams they roll out. They often will beat very good elite teams by far more then they beat average teams or even Sims.
Agree. The non power 5 team that got my attention is flaunting it. Using a QB that should be in div 1AA and the leading receiver is a freshman with no FIQ with a 75% catch rate. Throwing up 60+ on a top 3 team in the nation. 800+ passing on a power 5 team. The closer I look the worse it gets.

The other couple of teams I'm pretty sure uses it at least have good teams.
From looking at his teams it is pretty easy to see that realist9900 is talking about Tulane in Warner. Some of the results Tulane gets are certainly eye opening but I just don't see what he could be doing that could get those chunk plays. However, to have a freshman tight end with over 100 catches with around a 73% catch rate is nothing I have even seen as is having a team play 3 QBs a decent amount of time and all 3 have completion %'s of over 64%.These QB's also had no problems against USC which had the #4 rated roster in Next Guess (compared to #23 by Tulane) and USC had grades of A or A- in pass defense while Tulane's passing offense was rated B-. Tulane threw for over 600 yards in the game and completed 47 out of 65 passes which is mind bogglingly over 70%. The chunk plays that Tulane got against USC in the tournament were all done with medium passes to running backs or tight ends out of the Wishbone. Nothing startling to me there. The coach throws exclusively medium passes but there are many, many teams that throw exclusively medium passes and many teams run Wishbone and throw a great percentage of the time with that formation.

I just don't see how that is a "hack". Throwing all medium passes to running backs and tight ends is done by many. What else can someone do in the limited things you can do in calling plays in this game to get the results that Tulane in Warner gets? I've had teams where I have played teams like USC in Warner and usually my team would be under 50% completion percentage and I throw mostly all medium passes. It should be noted that in Tulane's next tournament game they got beat by realist9900's Penn State team. In that game Tulane's QBs were 41 for 79 just over 50%. What did realist9900 do differently than USC? Maybe he plays exclusively Short pass coverage like a previous coach posted on here was the best way to play defense against a team that exclusively throws medium passes?

I am still confused about all of this but having looked into it at least I might have a little more understanding about what Majique was talking about. However, I still just can't see that there is a "hack".
5/26/2024 6:54 AM
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If a coach knows how to manipulate the GD engine by actions they take to get a desired outcome far more often than not I don't see how that isn't cheating? It's not getting better players in recruiting or training better or game planning better but manipulating the game itself to win.

I'm not claiming to o know who does this or anything but this is how majique made it sound to me that the engine was being manipulated by some little known means to give the coach a decided advantage.
5/26/2024 3:43 PM (edited)
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Posted by taladar on 5/26/2024 3:43:00 PM (view original):
If a coach knows how to manipulate the GD engine by actions they take to get a desired outcome far more often than not I don't see how that isn't cheating? It's not getting better players in recruiting or training better or game planning better but manipulating the game itself to win.

I'm not claiming to o know who does this or anything but this is how majique made it sound to me that the engine was being manipulated by some little known means to give the coach a decided advantage.
For sure not "cheating". It is just likely a scenario where 5 to 8 coaches have insight that other coaches do not and this insight gives them an advantage -- and they are not going to share beyond who they have already shared it with. That is their right.

It is what its...I still have fun.
5/26/2024 6:46 PM
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I still don't see it as a "hack". As I said in a previous post, the randomness of the game supersedes the talent aspect of the players. If a coach can succeed in putting a high probability of success on a few quality players, they can be more successful than a team full of quality players who don't always get the ball.

Example would be a mediocre to good QB who is gameplanned to get the ball to an exceptional TE or WR or RB. All random to the success of the play by the coding of the game. THEN that exceptional player will outperform the opposition to get maximum yardage.

I have done this in SG. Moved my best WR around to different slots but always 100% to get him the ball. Worked very well except against the best teams with the best DB's.

I won't say it always works, but it seems with differing offensive formations against different defenses, that mismatch can be had and exploited as the OP explained.
5/27/2024 2:40 AM
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It should be noted that in Tulane's next tournament game they got beat by realist9900's Penn State team. In that game Tulane's QBs were 41 for 79 just over 50%. What did realist9900 do differently than USC? Maybe he plays exclusively Short pass coverage like a previous coach posted on here was the best way to play defense against a team that exclusively throws medium passes?

I got shredded like cheese the first half. 500 yards passing yards allowed total. As someone noted above, the playbooks are very limited. My "solution"? Pass Medium on defense as much as possible. Blitz a CB once in a while. What else can you do?

Example would be a mediocre to good QB who is gameplanned to get the ball to an exceptional TE or WR or RB. All random to the success of the play by the coding of the game. THEN that exceptional player will outperform the opposition to get maximum yardage

The top receiver was a true freshman TE. Average at best with no FIQ
5/27/2024 9:16 AM
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Play the 4-4 set all LB's to line, play 100 percent pass and blitz the SS......nine men rushing....have a blast!!
5/27/2024 9:52 AM
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Posted by raginirish on 5/27/2024 9:52:00 AM (view original):
Play the 4-4 set all LB's to line, play 100 percent pass and blitz the SS......nine men rushing....have a blast!!
5/27/2024 10:23 AM
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Geez, I left the game largely because of all the cheating going on. So the old cheating was nerfed by WIS, and I jump back in. What do I find? The more things change, the more they stay the same.
5/27/2024 1:08 PM
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