Posted by Defiant29 on 1/13/2024 8:35:00 AM (view original):
Does the STL come from the head coach or assist coach scouting report?

Asst Coach scout definitely. Not sure about Head Coach scout but I don’t recall ever seeing it in a HC scout. Of course, I’ve only seen 4 in total during my time here.

Whats the most VH anyone's seen on a roster? Been meaning to ask in here for a while felt this thread might be fitting

Posted by Defiant29 on 1/13/2024 8:35:00 AM (view original):
Does the STL come from the head coach or assist coach scouting report?

Excuse my ignorance but what is an STL?

Posted by theromper on 1/17/2024 3:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Defiant29 on 1/13/2024 8:35:00 AM (view original):
Does the STL come from the head coach or assist coach scouting report?

Excuse my ignorance but what is an STL?

STL stands for "Sky's The Limit." Every once in a great while there are recruits with VH potential who are referred to in the assistant coach scouting notes as a player who has "Sky is the Limit" potential. They are like rational thoughts/comments from AlekTX2020....very rare...almost nonexistent.

Posted by Storm97 on 1/13/2024 8:56:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Defiant29 on 1/13/2024 8:35:00 AM (view original):
Does the STL come from the head coach or assist coach scouting report?

Asst Coach scout definitely. Not sure about Head Coach scout but I don’t recall ever seeing it in a HC scout. Of course, I’ve only seen 4 in total during my time here.

On a HC scout you'll get a message from them about seeing you in the stands if they're an STL.

Posted by ksparks on 1/17/2024 4:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by theromper on 1/17/2024 3:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Defiant29 on 1/13/2024 8:35:00 AM (view original):
Does the STL come from the head coach or assist coach scouting report?

Excuse my ignorance but what is an STL?

STL stands for "Sky's The Limit." Every once in a great while there are recruits with VH potential who are referred to in the assistant coach scouting notes as a player who has "Sky is the Limit" potential. They are like rational thoughts/comments from AlekTX2020....very rare...almost nonexistent.

I never even red the scouting notes. Am I missing out big time by not doing that?

Only if you dont go after VHs.

Posted by mitz151 on 1/17/2024 10:37:00 PM (view original):
Only if you dont go after VHs.

You can get more information than that. For instance, I've seen recruits listed as AVG on the recruit page that the AC scout said "had a lot of room to grow". In that case, you would then know the player is on the "high side" of average near the dividing line with high potential.

For whatever reason the potentials on the recruiting page and the player card and the report from the AC scout don't perfectly synchronize...so from time to time you can get other useful info from reading the actual reports.

Posted by narcotico on 1/18/2024 1:39:00 AM (view original):

Posted by mitz151 on 1/17/2024 10:37:00 PM (view original):
Only if you dont go after VHs.

You can get more information than that. For instance, I've seen recruits listed as AVG on the recruit page that the AC scout said "had a lot of room to grow". In that case, you would then know the player is on the "high side" of average near the dividing line with high potential.

For whatever reason the potentials on the recruiting page and the player card and the report from the AC scout don't perfectly synchronize...so from time to time you can get other useful info from reading the actual reports.

Yeah, my understanding is each level (VL, L, A, H, VH) actually has 2 levels in it, I believe. Standard, and then higher. So some H's may actually grow like a VH, and some A's may actually grow like an H, etc.

Posted by mitz151 on 1/18/2024 10:12:00 AM (view original):

Posted by narcotico on 1/18/2024 1:39:00 AM (view original):

Posted by mitz151 on 1/17/2024 10:37:00 PM (view original):
Only if you dont go after VHs.

You can get more information than that. For instance, I've seen recruits listed as AVG on the recruit page that the AC scout said "had a lot of room to grow". In that case, you would then know the player is on the "high side" of average near the dividing line with high potential.

For whatever reason the potentials on the recruiting page and the player card and the report from the AC scout don't perfectly synchronize...so from time to time you can get other useful info from reading the actual reports.

Yeah, my understanding is each level (VL, L, A, H, VH) actually has 2 levels in it, I believe. Standard, and then higher. So some H's may actually grow like a VH, and some A's may actually grow like an H, etc.

My theory is it' essentially a random number 0-100 broken into tiers of 20 so or so, likely 95-100 being STL or something like that maybe even only 98-100 to get the STL assistant coach line. I have seen a few VH grow not much faster than an A that has a high WE though, prob fell on the low and high end of those tiers, so think it must act as some sort of multiplier to WE which I think in the end might be just as important if your trying to decide between Pot and WE.

Both these WR where damn near identical guess ratings when I recruited them in same class, 67.32 (Hall) and 67.26 (Anderson). One VH and one A pot. Both have grown basically the same guess rating wise (77ish), Hall was 0.5 Guess rating higher at start of Sr year. My guess formula has Anderson 0.12 higher at midseason, WIS role wise (wr1 &wr2) Anderson has actually grown much more. I think Hall started with 30 WE and Anderson started with 55 WE. Fr and So year Hall got more run, Jr and Sr year went more to Anderson as Halls WE wasn't climbing at all, Hall basically lost his job Sr year to #1 WR recruit in Fr class.

Name	Year	Pos	A	SPD	D	WE	ST	STR	BLK	TKL	H	GI	E	T	POT	TOT	WR	WRPs	WRDp	WR1	WR2
Allen Hall	Sr.	WR	62	76	62	29	70	54	43	27	80	87	85	78	VH	753	77	77	77	77	78
Kenneth Anderson	Sr.	WR	59	86	56	65	63	56	35	22	86	74	92	70	A	764	77	77	78	80	83

Oh yeah. Factoring in WE makes a big difference. An STL with poor work ethic probably isn't worth getting compared to an A with high work ethic.

Posted by mitz151 on 1/18/2024 11:53:00 AM (view original):
Oh yeah. Factoring in WE makes a big difference. An STL with poor work ethic probably isn't worth getting compared to an A with high work ethic.

Agreed mostly, but I did just take a VH TE with low WE tho over an A with 50s WE as I can afford to run a TE out there every play from Fr year where I couldnt quite afford to do with the WRs above. I'm wondering if this line in AC scouting "I can't say much about his willingness to keep working hard, Coach. It's just not all there." vs "This kid has the attitude we're looking for, Coach." or "john doe is an above average worker. I have no doubt you'll like this kid's effort, Coach"; is not actually much to do with current WE but how easily you can grow the WE with playing time, but I am hoping to see how much a 29 can grow starting all four years. I usually find higher WE recruits grow WE much better but I have not paid much attention to that line in the AC scouting report in the past.

Posted by mitz151 on 1/17/2024 4:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Storm97 on 1/13/2024 8:56:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Defiant29 on 1/13/2024 8:35:00 AM (view original):
Does the STL come from the head coach or assist coach scouting report?

Asst Coach scout definitely. Not sure about Head Coach scout but I don’t recall ever seeing it in a HC scout. Of course, I’ve only seen 4 in total during my time here.

On a HC scout you'll get a message from them about seeing you in the stands if they're an STL.

This caught my eye because it is definitely not correct. "Saw you in the stands" is what happens when you have scouted a recruit who is below a certain threshold for your team. That is, if you are scouting recruits of a quality that is appropriate for your team, you don't get that. If you scout recruits a little lower than that and on down, that's the sort of email you get. You can easily verify that by scouting a few recruits that are WAY below whet you want -- they'll all be happy to see you in the stands.
FYI, the rest of that "saw you in the stands" does contain information that can be useful, though it is a little vague. "Motor running" is not what you want to see, nor is "give 110%" or something like that. "Reached" or "lived up to" are among the worst. "Upside is my middle name" or something like that is what you hope for. However, none of these messages by itself indicates STL potential.
For that, you'll need an HC scout trip. Once you get the "Saw you in the stands," that's all you'll continue to get from AC scout trips, more of the same. The HC scout trip has the language that indicates STL.

"For whatever reason the potentials on the recruiting page and the player card and the report from the AC scout don't perfectly synchronize...so from time to time you can get other useful info from reading the actual reports."

The reason is that the old rating system, represented by the emails you get from scouting trips, and the new rating system, represented by the letter grades on the player card (VH, H, A, L, VL) don't have the same range of values, they don't completely line up with one another. It's not that the new system categories are broken into two levels, "standard and higher."

GD used to have 4 undefined levels for potential. The AC and HC scout revealed those levels. See bottom of page 1 of "GD Guide to the Game" for a complete known list of responses. During an update, they quantified those 4 levels into to current 5 levels (VL, L, A, H, VH) so there is some overlap and the descriptions don't match exactly now.

As the_dance07 observed, I feel those lines in the response indicate whether the player will improve early in their career (willingness to work hard etc) or throughout their career (attitude we are looking for etc).