When a complete insider says this " the offensive settings can manipulate the defense into being out of "position". The method is not in line with what one would expect to see in an actual football game, hence it goes contrary to what a coach would be able to do in the real world. It's essentially mastering the ones and zeros of this digital game beyond what is logical for a football game. The result is consistent big chunk plays, regardless of quality of the offensive player with the ball. I don't know the specific details but again, I've seen the results.

You would think this would get people's attention. More and more people are learning how to do this. Some are subtle about it, some not so much.

In Div1A, when I see a QB, ranked 31, from a small market school throw for 1830 yards in three playoff game at a 70% clip it's quite an eye opener. The players being thrown to are ranked 63-120. So typical small conference talent. Players who wouldn't even start on the teams they are putting up those ridiculous numbers against.

This exploit is out there and it's real. Likely nothing can be done about it since it's old code. It sure ruins the game for those playing legit and not using it. Common problem in all online games, but at least in other games they at least talk about it and try to fix it.

Its kind of like the Kennedy assassination or George Busch crashing the planes on 9-11.....somebody, at some point in time would have talked by now if it were true.......Bill Clinton couldnt keep a blow job secret for Gods sake.....lol

I will speculate .....pass all very short......its the only route thats NOT in the coverage...thus perhaps it does what you say and puts the D out of position. I dont think I have ever thrown very short so maybe its worth a try

When this current update was being tested there was a big curfuffle about player ratings influence vs randomization of outcomes. As it turned out, the outcome "buckets" were stated to be determined first, then the second set of "buckets" would be the influence of the player ratings.

As I understood this it would mean - regardless of the player ratings involved the game would decide on the level of success - a long gain vs no gain or loss. Then the comparison of player ratings would determine how much gain - again giving some probability of inferior players racking up a long gain. The probability may be lower than with more talented players, but the probability was there.

The opposite, but unchosen option, was that player ratings comparisons would be calculated to determine the range of outcomes based on differences in player ratings. Then the outcome would be determined based within that range.

Option two would make mismatches more skewed to the better rated players so far as yardage outcomes. Option one maintains the random occurrences for unrealistic comparisons may happen based on probability regardless of player ratings.

As for manipulation of the settings, this may also be true regarding the matches of positional grouped calculations of certain offensive formations vs certain defensive formations. But I feel these are at least somewhat controllable if the player ratings could be accurately analyzed. However, this is not always possible based on the matches determined under option one above.

There is for sure a "hack" a few coaches know and use...I guess I just don't care enough to care enough.
I do well enough playing straight up and still have fun. I wouldn't get satisfaction winning by using the "hack"...but to each their own.

"This exploit is out there and it's real. Likely nothing can be done about it since it's old code. It sure ruins the game for those playing legit and not using it. Common problem in all online games, but at least in other games they at least talk about it and try to fix it."

Let's not give up quite so easily. Maybe WIS will look into it, and maybe it is fixable. Maybe the coach of the team you mentioned -- he's an honorable guy, right? -- maybe he'll speak here about the hack so it is out there for everyone.

Debeque the guy who made the original claim of the "hack" was an honorable pillar of the WHAT IF community .......until he wasnt, he left a long "see ya later" letter and then dropped the" oh yeah by the way, theres a hack and I'm leaving because of it....but I'm not going to tell any of you what it is" This sounded like sour grapes to me then, as it does now. Bottom line if you have info and are LEAVING anyway......full disclosure, or your just talking **** to get attention.

Yeah, irish, I remember how he left, but I don't dismiss what he said as easily as you seem to. And I consider realist9900 to be above reproach, and what he says has a true ring to it. You and others may take the approach, "Move on, there's nothing to see here," but I don't.

Don't get me wrong bro....I'm not dismissing it as total crap, I'm just saying the guy used to do information videos while he was here....covering anything and everything....then gets mad and leaves without divulging ANY INFO AT ALL! Just curious to me is all I'm saying

It definitely exists. I haven't fully triangulated it yet but I see teams that I'm confident are doing it. I'm also getting more confident that it's isolated to pro set because i haven't seen anyone doing it in any other formation.

Posted by greener10 on 5/23/2024 4:01:00 PM (view original):
It definitely exists. I haven't fully triangulated it yet but I see teams that I'm confident are doing it. I'm also getting more confident that it's isolated to pro set because i haven't seen anyone doing it in any other formation.

Ok...who are these coaches so we can join in the analytical observation?

The only way to bring it to light and fix it is for us all to talk about it.....to either prove it or disprove it

Interesting topic I'm following but if the ncaa 25 game is as good as the trailers make it appear. I think your going to lose alot more coaches come July 16 if they bought the deluxe or mvp version or July 19 if the bought the standard edition.

Posted by ksparks on 5/23/2024 4:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by greener10 on 5/23/2024 4:01:00 PM (view original):
It definitely exists. I haven't fully triangulated it yet but I see teams that I'm confident are doing it. I'm also getting more confident that it's isolated to pro set because i haven't seen anyone doing it in any other formation.

Ok...who are these coaches so we can join in the analytical observation?

I would never call a coach out until im 100% certain (which in my case means I can replicate the behavior). That said, go look at the passing leaders, see what they have in common, and you can start to piece it all together.

Im convinced majique was right. Some things that happen are too illogical to be acceptable, some people have to know how to manipulate the game/code. If i had to guess Id say it has something to do with wishbone, as i see lotta crazy outcomes and plays etc from teams using it. Though it may not be limited to one formation, I do recall majigue saying something wonky to me about WB when he was helping me learn GD.