How is defensive rating calculated? Topic

jayharvill
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Simple question for the vets here....is there a statistical basis for this rating?   best def. stat I can find on basketball reference is defensive win shares
1/20/2011 12:05 PM
malone9975
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Combination of defensive reb, blocks, steals, and defensive awards along with an additional metric if I am not mistaken
1/20/2011 12:35 PM
malone9975
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nice

i wish someone could do a basic faq for new players to help them understand these things as well as the fact that minutes aren't important
1/20/2011 8:12 PM
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I wish I knew how to just post that picture without the link - then again it's kind of a nice punch line for the unwary
1/20/2011 8:24 PM (edited)
ashamael
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Posted by malone9975 on 1/20/2011 12:35:00 PM (view original):
Combination of defensive reb, blocks, steals, and defensive awards along with an additional metric if I am not mistaken
It's supposed to also use something about team defense.  I think the theory was that if you were a good defender on a bad defensive team, you wouldn't be penalized very much for it.

But it's obviously broken as 08-09 Chauncey Billups (good defender, decent defensive team) rocks the 50 while 08-09 Troy Murphy (average at best defender on bad defensive team) rocks the 96.

So laughably broken.
1/20/2011 8:41 PM
felonius
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I still think monkeys with darts
1/20/2011 11:48 PM
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Yes they need to improve the defensive reasoning for sure. Murphy is a terrible defensive player! So is Zach Randolph but they seem to be blind quite a bit!
1/23/2011 7:11 PM
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Posted by snydpie on 1/23/2011 7:11:00 PM (view original):
Yes they need to improve the defensive reasoning for sure. Murphy is a terrible defensive player! So is Zach Randolph but they seem to be blind quite a bit!
seble admitted there was a mistake in both the 08-09 & the 09-10 players for defensive rating, but said it didn't matter enough to bother with changing.

Yeah.
1/23/2011 9:11 PM
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Wait. Why don't minutes matter?
1/23/2011 11:22 PM
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97-98 Eddie Jones 80
09-10 Jason Kidd 96

1/25/2011 10:17 PM
ashamael
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Posted by wjsalm on 1/23/2011 11:22:00 PM (view original):
Wait. Why don't minutes matter?
old joke.
Although they matter less than people think.  Actually, fatigue matters less than people think (which is an indirect way of saying that minutes matter both less and more than people think).
1/26/2011 1:56 AM
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Posted by felonius on 1/25/2011 10:17:00 PM (view original):

97-98 Eddie Jones 80
09-10 Jason Kidd 96

Exactly.  Kidd couldn't lock down 3/4 of the PG's last year and Jones was the bes defender at his position (btw I would have loved to have seen Fish, Kobe, Jones, Horry, Shaq  I always like Jones and thought the Lakers made a mistake getting rid of him). 
1/26/2011 9:40 AM
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Posted by felonius on 1/20/2011 8:24:00 PM (view original):
I wish I knew how to just post that picture without the link - then again it's kind of a nice punch line for the unwary
1/26/2011 9:42 AM
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