Posted by wonker on 7/10/2010 2:55:00 PM (view original):
was the closer the only one fatigued?  what innings did you have listed as available for each of the pitchers involved??

Posted by nonenone00 on 7/10/2010 2:46:00 PM (view original):
Winning 9-8, 8th inning, 2 outs, runner on first. Save situation. Closer is fatigued.

Starter gets pulled and is replaced by setup B, even though 2 setup A relievers are available and at 100%.

You can guess the rest: double, ties game, setup B blows save, but stays in game, even though go-ahead run is on second.

Single, setup B takes the loss.

Why was setup B even in the game?

The short answer is you probably are not getting enough work in for your set-up B.

Basically, Sparky had a choice between two set-up As and a set-up B.  Sparky normally goes to the set-up As when the game is close so you would expect one of the set-up As to be used.  However, Sparky's choice of a pitcher also depends on their relative seasonal use rates.  For example if 40 games into the season both set-up As and your set-up B are at 100%, but your set-up As are on pace to use 95% of their pitch allocation and your set-up B is on pace to use only 50% of his pitch allocation, Sparky will PROBABLY use the set-up B.  This is the exact same reason why mop-up pitchers are brought into games when owners don't want them to.

The solution is to (1) draft pitchers in porportion to your expected use patterns.  (2) Periodically find work foryour under-used B-pitchers and mop-ups.  Since there is no way to ensure at the draft how much your pitchers-- especially set-ups-- may be needed, #2 is critically important if you want to avoid inadvertant use of B-pitchers and mop-ups.    

Posted by napolean on 7/11/2010 3:03:00 PM (view original):
beleiveit, what was Blue's "pull" set at?

Posted by zubinsum on 7/11/2010 2:47:00 AM (view original):

Posted by nonenone00 on 7/10/2010 2:46:00 PM (view original):
Winning 9-8, 8th inning, 2 outs, runner on first. Save situation. Closer is fatigued.

Starter gets pulled and is replaced by setup B, even though 2 setup A relievers are available and at 100%.

You can guess the rest: double, ties game, setup B blows save, but stays in game, even though go-ahead run is on second.

Single, setup B takes the loss.

Why was setup B even in the game?

The short answer is you probably are not getting enough work in for your set-up B.

Basically, Sparky had a choice between two set-up As and a set-up B.  Sparky normally goes to the set-up As when the game is close so you would expect one of the set-up As to be used.  However, Sparky's choice of a pitcher also depends on their relative seasonal use rates.  For example if 40 games into the season both set-up As and your set-up B are at 100%, but your set-up As are on pace to use 95% of their pitch allocation and your set-up B is on pace to use only 50% of his pitch allocation, Sparky will use the set-up B.  This is the exact same reason why mop-up pitchers are brought into games when owners don't want them to.

The solution is to (1) draft pitchers in porportion to your expected use patterns.  (2) Periodically find work foryour under-used B-pitchers and mop-ups.  Since there is no way to ensure at the draft how much your pitchers-- especially set-ups-- may be needed, #2 is critically important if you want to avoid inadvertant use of B-pitchers and mop-ups.