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thats_nice
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from a LCS box score

+- Great range shown by the fielder T.Speaker can't handle a flyball and B.Grich reaches on the error.

How can he show great range and it be an error on the same play??? If his range is great it couldn't have been a routine play?
2/22/2010 6:15 PM
llamanunts
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If you run 100 miles and then drop the ball, your range is still pretty great.
2/22/2010 6:27 PM
thats_nice
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If you run 100 miles and get to the ball it's not a routine play.
2/22/2010 9:22 PM
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It is a plus play and an error on the same ball. It happens in real-life too... Haven't you ever seen an out show extreme range and get to ball ball just to muff it?
2/22/2010 9:40 PM
llamanunts
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No, of course it's not a routine play. Hence the great range.

Run real far = great range.
Catch the ball = not an error

Two separate things. Where did you get "routine play" from?

2/23/2010 7:43 AM
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an error is the act of a fielder misplaying a ball in a manner that allows a batter or baserunner to reach one or more additional bases, when such an advance should have been prevented given ordinary effort by the fielder. I don't think great range is ordinary effort or a routine play.
2/23/2010 8:35 AM
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I think Thats_Nice is saying that the definition of 'error' is "messing up a routine play". I can't disagree.

In baseballstatistics, an error is the act, in the judgment of the official scorer, of a fielder misplaying a ball in a manner that allows a batter or baserunner to reach one or more additional bases, when such an advance should have been prevented given ordinary effort by the fielder.

I'd say Mr Speaker ran 100 miles, camped under the ball, then it bounced off his head Canseco style. WIS just uses e-dice to calculate the chance of a '+' play and the chance of an error. Sometimes the dice rolls snake eyes. Just pretend the hitter got a hit if that helps.
2/23/2010 8:38 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By boogerlips on 2/23/2010
I think Thats_Nice is saying that the definition of 'error' is "messing up a routine play". I can't disagree.

In baseballstatistics, an error is the act, in the judgment of the official scorer, of a fielder misplaying a ball in a manner that allows a batter or baserunner to reach one or more additional bases, when such an advance should have been prevented given ordinary effort by the fielder.

I'd say Mr Speaker ran 100 miles, camped under the ball, then it bounced off his head Canseco style. WIS just uses e-dice to calculate the chance of a '+' play and the chance of an error. Sometimes the dice rolls snake eyes. Just pretend the hitter got a hit if that helps.



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2/23/2010 2:31 PM
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I think most modern scorers would never charge you for an error if you showed great range getting to the ball. In the early part of the 20th century, however, scorers would charge an error for anything remotely in a fielder's quadrant of the field that he didn't convert into an out. That's part of the reason why fielding percentages were so much lower during the deadball era (along with the poor equipment we all hear about). Through the intervening time there has been a whole spectrum of what is and isn't scored an error. Just figure the game had an older scorer...
2/23/2010 2:49 PM
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