SEE UPDATE just below...

I had a Champions League entry start out 46-29 with an 11-game lead. It was my first attempt in a long while to overcome my Dodger Stadium jinx. I was so ecstatic that I drafted a fraternal twin with a couple of tweaks and entered it into an Open League.

Since then, the first team has gone 27-57. With two games to play, it is in danger of going from first to worst. It is on a phenomenal 1-14 streak.

The second team is already in last place.

If I ever enter a Dodger Stadium team again, would someone please unplug my life support?

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UPDATE: The first team ended a poor second, BUT the fraternal twin team rose from worst to first, going 37-17 down the stretch and edging one of richard3244's teams by one game on the last game of the regular season.

So, all's well that ends well -- but I still haven't learned to love Dodger Stadium.

You drafted a 1.8 hit:walk ratio. I'm surprised you did as well as you did. If your hit:walk ratio isn't over 3, you don't have any business playing in a +hits park.

Quote: Originally posted by boogerlips on 12/30/2009You drafted a 1.8 hit:walk ratio. I'm surprised you did as well as you did. If your hit:walk ratio isn't over 3, you don't have any business playing in a +hits park.

I don't see hit-walk ratio in the draft center options. So, you seem to be saying that I have to use H/100AB and BB/100AB to compare them and find these ratios.

Yet somehow I think there is a lot more to this team's failure than the hit-walk ratio alone. And I'm sick of Dodger Stadium in any event. May Walter O'Malley spin forever in his grave...

In my first champions league, season ongoing, I started out 11-1. I am now below .500, not even 50 games in.

OK - I'm going to show my *** here, and ask what the hell is a hit:walk ratio??? Baserunners are baserunners - what do I care if it's a hit or a walk that gets them on base? I can understand trying to take advantage of your +hits stadium, but if you have guys getting on base what should it matter?? I'm confusing myself trying to figure it out....

walks r bad

Quote: Originally Posted By cbaltz_ca on 12/31/2009
OK - I'm going to show my *** here, and ask what the hell is a hit:walk ratio??? Baserunners are baserunners - what do I care if it's a hit or a walk that gets them on base? I can understand trying to take advantage of your +hits stadium, but if you have guys getting on base what should it matter?? I'm confusing myself trying to figure it out...

I am not sure eactly what boog wrote about, but I do understand often the price of a walk is a non-hit. For example lets say you have a runner on 2nd that you want to get home. To keep the problem simple (1) assume a hit, any hit, gets the job done, (2) assume an "average" pitcher (3) ignore normalization. Now guess which hitter would be better at acomplishing the feat? '84 Kirby Pucket (.296/.320/.336) or '57 Mickey Mantle(.365/ .512/ .665).

Surprisingly, Pucket will get a hit 28.5% of the time while Mantle does it only 28.0% of the time. The result is a bit counter-intuitive and shows how a player's OBP can be at the expense of hits. In this case Mantle walks a lot, about 23% of the time, and everytime he does, he isn't getting a hit.

The calculations are simple:
h/pa ~= avg * (1-obp)/ (1-avg)
bb/pa ~= (obp-avg) / (1-avg)

That is odd, normally after 70 games you have a good idea of where your team stands.

did you have a fatigue issue?

Quote: Originally Posted By zubinsum on 12/31/2009

I am not sure eactly what boog wrote about, but I do understand often the price of a walk is a non-hit. For example lets say you have a runner on 2nd that you want to get home. To keep the problem simple (1) assume a hit, any hit, gets the job done, (2) assume an "average" pitcher (3) ignore normalization. Now guess which hitter would be better at acomplishing the feat? '84 Kirby Pucket (.296/.320/.336) or '57 Mickey Mantle(.365/ .512/ .665).

Surprisingly, Pucket will get a hit 28.5% of the time while Mantle does it only 28.0% of the time. The result is a bit counter-intuitive and shows how a player's OBP can be at the expense of hits. In this case Mantle walks a lot, about 23% of the time, and everytime he does, he isn't getting a hit.

The calculations are simple:
h/pa ~= avg * (1-obp)/ (1-avg)
bb/pa ~= (obp-avg) / (1-avg)

There is another factor there in that the batter receiving the walk isn't really hurting you, he is putting another runner on base, advancing baserunners, and there is another hitter who gets to come to the plate. So at face value yes - SOMETIMES a hit is better than a walk. But looking at your statistic Puckett makes a lot more outs than Mantle too, thus killling the rally. With Mantle you get Mantle on base, and another hitter coming up. I would think that more than makes up for than Pucketts 5% advantage in hits.

of course. thats why he costs more. also mantles hits would be more extra base hits than puckett, obviously. he just used that for his formula. IMO there's more to doubletrucks issue than simply a walk/hit ratio. i would be more worried about the team that tanked in the OL than the one that was up and down in a champs league. with champ leagues, you never know who you're going to be competing with (in your division) and that can really hurt your strategy.

Quote: Originally Posted By cbaltz_ca on 1/01/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By zubinsum on 12/31/2009

I am not sure eactly what boog wrote about, but I do understand often the price of a walk is a non-hit. For example lets say you have a runner on 2nd that you want to get home. To keep the problem simple (1) assume a hit, any hit, gets the job done, (2) assume an "average" pitcher (3) ignore normalization. Now guess which hitter would be better at acomplishing the feat? '84 Kirby Pucket (.296/.320/.336) or '57 Mickey Mantle(.365/ .512/ .665).

Surprisingly, Pucket will get a hit 28.5% of the time while Mantle does it only 28.0% of the time. The result is a bit counter-intuitive and shows how a player's OBP can be at the expense of hits. In this case Mantle walks a lot, about 23% of the time, and everytime he does, he isn't getting a hit.

The calculations are simple:
h/pa ~= avg * (1-obp)/ (1-avg)
bb/pa ~= (obp-avg) / (1-avg)

There is another factor there in that the batter receiving the walk isn't really hurting you, he is putting another runner on base, advancing baserunners, and there is another hitter who gets to come to the plate. So at face value yes - SOMETIMES a hit is better than a walk. But looking at your statistic Puckett makes a lot more outs than Mantle too, thus killling the rally. With Mantle you get Mantle on base, and another hitter coming up. I would think that more than makes up for than Pucketts 5% advantage in hits.

Obviously as indicated just above, Mantle is the far superior player. My example was merely to illustrate that depite the difference in their averages, Puckett will collect more hits per PA.

H/PA isn't the end-all of WIS baseball stats, but I personally find it very useful. I have actually assembled some very good teams simply by trying to maximize and keep constant the ratio of H/PA to the chance of a runner being in scoring position throughout the line-up.

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