RBI’s Topic

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How many people wish RBI's would mean something in sim? I think they should try to work it into the equation somehow. Say 2 out man on 2nd. a guy with 160RL RBI has a increased chance of cashing him in over someone with 70 RL Rbi. Develop some kind of clutch factor

Just a thought.
12/24/2009 6:52 AM
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no such thing as clutch...just opportunities
12/24/2009 7:56 AM
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So let's say Fred Ballplayer bats cleanup, behind three .310 OBP guys.

Let's say Jim Ballplayer bats cleanup, behind three .400 OBP guys.

Fred and Jim are identical twins and identical players. They have exactly the same ability - they can both rake. Fred is going to have 70 RBI, and Jim is going to have 160.

RBI is just kind of a dumb thing to have in mind, pretty much ever. It should definitely not factor into this game.

12/24/2009 11:06 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by llamanunts on 12/24/2009So let's say Fred Ballplayer bats cleanup, behind three .310 OBP guys.

Let's say Jim Ballplayer bats cleanup, behind three .400 OBP guys.

Fred and Jim are identical twins and identical players. They have exactly the same ability - they can both rake. Fred is going to have 70 RBI, and Jim is going to have 160.


Jim is going to have more rbi without rbi's being factored in because the guys infront of him will be on base more.

I'd argue that it's a skill just as much as it is a result. there's many players who's avg is better with risp than without. Maybe because they concentrate more who knows.
12/24/2009 1:05 PM
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No
12/24/2009 1:14 PM
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show me a player who hits better in the clutch and I'll show you somebody with a concentration problem. If he can do it in the clutch he should be able do the same thing on the boring ABs too. if anything he should hit better non-clutch because the pitchers need to pace themselves and he's not always facing the best pitchers.
12/24/2009 1:29 PM
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Respectfully disagree with nearly everything that has been said on this thread. RBI is a skill, because it is a function of opportunity (chance) plus ability to exploit the opportunity (skill). It is partially dependent on teammates getting on base, and partially dependent on skill in driving them in once they do. Because RBI has a component of luck, it shouldn't go into the SIM equation, but BA and/or OBP (because a lot of clutch hitters are walked with runners oin base) with runners on base or RISP would be a useful addition and (sorry, Boogerlips) would edge this game a step closer to baseball realism.
12/24/2009 2:13 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By thunder1008 on 12/24/2009Respectfully disagree with nearly everything that has been said on this thread. RBI is a skill, because it is a function of opportunity (chance) plus ability to exploit the opportunity (skill). It is partially dependent on teammates getting on base, and partially dependent on skill in driving them in once they do. Because RBI has a component of luck, it shouldn't go into the SIM equation, but BA and/or OBP (because a lot of clutch hitters are walked with runners oin base) with runners on base or RISP would be a useful addition and (sorry, Boogerlips) would edge this game a step closer to baseball realism.
You broke Cardinal rule #37 - NEVER apoligize to Boogerlips
12/24/2009 2:17 PM
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I must have gotten temporarily carried away with his self-proclaimed awesomeness.
12/24/2009 2:48 PM
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lol
12/24/2009 2:56 PM
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I used to play Strat-O-Matic, and they attempted to make an adjustment for clutch hitting. In the game, HR hitters got their ribbies, but singles hitters didn't. They specifically mentioned Thurman Munson at the time, as a player who had a very hard time getting anywhere near his RL RBI totals. Their adjustment really didn't do much, and I really don't see any way it could be accomplished, without making sweeping changes to the game, for SOM, or WIS.
12/24/2009 3:38 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by rbow923 on 12/24/2009show me a player who hits better in the clutch and I'll show you somebody with a concentration problem. If he can do it in the clutch he should be able  do the same thing on the boring ABs too. if anything he should hit better non-clutch because the pitchers need to pace themselves and he's not always facing the best pitchers.

This.
12/24/2009 5:00 PM
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Fix the BB's issue...first.



Hahahahahah.
12/25/2009 10:13 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By boogerlips on 12/24/2009lo
12/25/2009 10:45 AM
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