Quote: Originally Posted By zubinsum on 6/08/2010
+ plays are determined after a hit and before type of hi (other than HR). - plays are determined after an out and after a BIP determination.

Basically the more hits, the more chance for + plays. The more BIP outs, the more chance for - plays. Which basically means range works best in + hits parks.

ok so + plays are determined after a hit but then fielders range must come into the formula that determines wether an AB will be a hit or an out? Otherwise + plays and range would be strictly cosmetic and have no real value.

Seems like we have this thread every couple weeks or so.

Quote: Originally Posted By boogerlips on 6/09/2010Seems like we have this thread every couple weeks or so

oh really? I guess I don't read the forum as much as I use to but I don't recall reading about this specifically...

Well, about the + play and error at the same time anyway.

Quote: Originally Posted By Funksteady1 on 6/09/2010
ok so + plays are determined after a hit but then fielders range must come into the formula that determines wether an AB will be a hit or an out? Otherwise + plays and range would be strictly cosmetic and have no real value.

Yes, obviously the more range you have the more chance for a + play.

Quote: Originally posted by Funksteady1 on 6/09/2010ok so + plays are determined after a hit but then fielders range must come into the formula that determines wether an AB will be a hit or an out? Otherwise + plays and range would be strictly cosmetic and have no real value.

I believe range comes into play by turning a hit into an out (or with poor range turning an out into a hit). But I know that it turns triples into doubles or singles, doubles into singles, and vice versa. Putting a runner on first instead of second has more than a cosmetic value. Range also has an effect on double plays, which also is more than cosmetic. The key is determining whether additional double plays and fewer extra-base hits is worth the added salary cost for good-range players.