Anybody knows if ballparks have any possible effect on + plays?

What I'm saying is, should we expect more +plays in an offensive ballpark since there will be more hits, thus more opportunity to take one away?

And the opposite, less +plays in pitchers park since there will be fewer opportunities?

Or does the only thing that matters is the fielders RRF no matter what park he plays in?

Example, let's say a player get's 15 +plays in a 'neutral' park. Will he get like 20 in Coors but only 10 at Petco?

Anybody has noticed any difference according to ballpark ratings?

I would almost expect to see more plays in bigger parks (ie: Comerica, Petco, Coors), regardless of hitter/pitcher friendly, because there's more ground to cover and thus more of an opportunity for an OF to make a far-ranging spectacular play.

That's real life though. I'm not sure the SIM takes ballpark dimensions into effect.

I think (but can't confirm) that more + plays happen on hits (turning a double into a single) than on taking away hits, so if the park has a high + factor for 2B and 3B, that might lead to more + plays.

Quote: Originally posted by jfranco77 on 6/08/2010I think (but can't confirm) that more + plays happen on hits (turning a double into a single) than on taking away hits, so if the park has a high + factor for 2B and 3B, that might lead to more + plays.

I agree. More chances for an OF with good range to not only take away hits, but also to close the gap and cut doubles down to singles, triples down to doubles, etc.

Yes, more batters faced = more opportunities for + plays. but it's a misleading statistic because in lower PA games each play is more important.

Quote: Originally Posted By rbow923 on 6/08/2010Yes, more batters faced = more opportunities for + plays. but it's a misleading statistic because in lower PA games each play is more important

yea that makes mathematical sense, obviously, based on the number of chances, fielders should make more +plays in offensive ballparks.

jfranco, actually, from what I've read in boxscores, there seems to be a lot more hits taken away than extra base hits limited to single.

One thing I always found odd though is the +play combined with an error, which I've seen quite a lot from certain infielders. I'm trying to picture it but all I see is either a fielder making a great stop but failing to turn it into an out, which should simply be scored as a hit, or, if it's an actual error then how can it also be a great play?

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Quote: Originally Posted By rbow923 on 6/08/2010
Yes, more batters faced = more opportunities for + plays. but it's a misleading statistic because in lower PA games each play is more important.

yea that makes mathematical sense, obviously, based on the number of chances, fielders should make more +plays in offensive ballparks.

jfranco, actually, from what I've read in boxscores, there seems to be a lot more hits taken away than extra base hits limited to single.

One thing I always found odd though is the +play combined with an error, which I've seen quite a lot from certain infielders. I'm trying to picture it but all I see is either a fielder making a great stop but failing to turn it into an out, which should simply be scored as a hit, or, if it's an actual error then how can it also be a great play?

With an infielder, I would think it could be getting to a tough ball (e.g., something hit into the hole), then making a bad throw. That would be an obvious + play with an error.

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Quote: Originally Posted By Funksteady1 on 6/08/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By rbow923 on 6/08/2010
Yes, more batters faced = more opportunities for + plays. but it's a misleading statistic because in lower PA games each play is more important.

yea that makes mathematical sense, obviously, based on the number of chances, fielders should make more +plays in offensive ballparks.

jfranco, actually, from what I've read in boxscores, there seems to be a lot more hits taken away than extra base hits limited to single.

One thing I always found odd though is the +play combined with an error, which I've seen quite a lot from certain infielders. I'm trying to picture it but all I see is either a fielder making a great stop but failing to turn it into an out, which should simply be scored as a hit, or, if it's an actual error then how can it also be a great play?

With an infielder, I would think it could be getting to a tough ball (e.g., something hit into the hole), then making a bad throw. That would be an obvious + play with an error

but in real baseball, getting to a tough ball to begin with kind of negates the possibility of an error no matter what happens next, at least in official scoring... Since a fielder is getting to a ball that 'shouldn't' have been caught to begin with, even if he then makes a bad throw that would be considered as an error otherwise, in this particular case, he only made a bad throw after coming up with a tough play so the throw is a result of the difficulty of the whole play. In official scoring it goes down as a hit.

+ plays are determined after a hit and before type of hi (other than HR). - plays are determined after an out and after a BIP determination.

Basically the more hits, the more chance for + plays. The more BIP outs, the more chance for - plays. Which basically means range works best in + hits parks.

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Still, if Cano throws the ball into the stands and Varitek goes to 2nd base, you've got to give him an error on the play.

Quote: Originally Posted By jfranco77 on 6/09/2010Still, if Cano throws the ball into the stands and Varitek goes to 2nd base, you've got to give him an error on the play

yep, I guess that would be one such extreme case

It's not really extreme. As far as I know, whether the fielder makes a great play on the ball or not, when he overthrows first base, the official scorer looks at if he had a chance to get him.

Did it require a great play to get to the ball in my above example? Yes, but the bottom line is, once he got to his feet, with the ball in his glove, he still likely had a very good chance to get Varitek and threw it away. Therefore, it's an error, even though that may suck for Cano

If it helps with the example, let's say Cano had to range to his instead. He dives and snags the ball in shallow RF. Therefore he's closer to 1B and definitely still has a chance to get the slow-footed Varitek.