Post update what type of fielding should I expect from D+ range at SS. I used HoJo on most of my teams pre update and I likey. Post update nightmare? Anyone using a D+ SS right now? How is it going?

Dal Maxville (D range) has 11 minus plays in 149 games.
Ozzie Smith (D+ range) has 4 minus plays in 76 games.
Ozzie Smith (D+ range) has 7 minus plays in 91 games.

Player SN Pos G GS Inn PO A E DP + - Fld% RF
Johnson, Howard 1989 SS 76 76 663.3 155 231 0 43 0 12 1.000 5.24
Johnson, Howard 1989 SS 121 121 1,073.3 275 407 0 56 0 17 1.000 5.72

(from a CL and OL, respectively)

Still well worth it imo...

Open League 103 games in @ SS

Howard Johnson '89 (S) SS^ 5 100 452 396 23 104 24 .280 .356 .528 5.39M
Fielding 913 in / + 0 / - 15 / PO 198 / a 287 / DP 35

your post gave me a chance to see how my post update Shortstops are fielding. None of these listed are D+ range, but I believe '89 HOJO is a D-range SS anyhow. Perhaps in the aggregate this is of some value. Again, these are from my 6 post update teams.

'70 Aparicio (open) A-/C 142 games, 17 errors 2+ 8 - .976 FP

'99 Larkin (theme) A-/C- 58 games, 3 errors, 0 + 3- .988 FP

'81 Bowa (champs) A-/D- 76 games in 0+ 9- .964 FP
'81 Bowa (open) " ' 34 games in, 0+ 2- .966 FP
'81 Bowa (open) " " 104 games in, 0+ 14- .988 FP

'99 Vizquel (open) A-/C- 79 games in 0+ 2- .973 FP

Quote: Originally posted by redwingscup on 12/03/2009your post gave me a chance to see how my post update Shortstops are fielding.  None of these listed are D+ range, but I believe '89 HOJO is a D-range SS anyhow. Perhaps in the aggregate this is of some value.  Again, these are from my 6 post update teams.'70 Aparicio (open)  A-/C   142 games, 17 errors 2+ 8 -   .976 FP'99 Larkin (theme)  A-/C- 58 games,  3 errors,  0 +  3-   .988 FP'81 Bowa (champs) A-/D-  76 games in  0+  9-   .964 FP
'81 Bowa (open) "  ' 34 games in, 0+ 2-    .966 FP
'81 Bowa (open) "  " 104 games in, 0+ 14-   .988 FP'99 Vizquel (open)   A-/C-  79 games in  0+ 2- .973 FP 

So RED what kind of O number are you get from 1999 Larkin ???

Quote: Originally Posted By thurst63 on 12/03/2009

Quote: Originally posted by redwingscup on 12/03/2009
your post gave me a chance to see how my post update Shortstops are fielding. None of these listed are D+ range, but I believe '89 HOJO is a D-range SS anyhow. Perhaps in the aggregate this is of some value. Again, these are from my 6 post update teams.

'70 Aparicio (open) A-/C 142 games, 17 errors 2+ 8 - .976 FP

'99 Larkin (theme) A-/C- 58 games, 3 errors, 0 + 3- .988 FP

'81 Bowa (champs) A-/D- 76 games in 0+ 9- .964 FP
'81 Bowa (open) " ' 34 games in, 0+ 2- .966 FP
'81 Bowa (open) " " 104 games in, 0+ 14- .988 FP

'99 Vizquel (open) A-/C- 79 games in 0+ 2- .973 FP

So RED what kind of O number are you get from 1999 Larkin ???

Not as good as I had hoped, but his D is better than I expected. i have him batting in the 6th spot vs. ies and in the 8 hole vs. righties. he has started all 58 games the team has played.

8 doubles, 1 triple, 4 HR, 35 RBI, 5/1 sb/cs and .248/.314/.354

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89' HoJo is more of a D--- at SS. His range is atrocious. Expect to see HoJo at or near the top of the leader boards for minus plays in whatever league you're in, with 30-35 not being uncommon. He will likely double any other regularly used SS in that category. That said, if you can live with the minus plays every 5th game, he will not commit an error and he'll give you a 30-30 season, for just over 5 million. He's one of the more intriguing cost-benefit players in the sim I think.

Quote: Originally posted by alebenta on 12/03/200989' HoJo is more of a D--- at SS.  His range is atrocious.  Expect to see HoJo at or near the top of the leader boards for minus plays in whatever league you're in, with 30-35 not being uncommon.  He will likely double any other regularly used SS in that category.  That said, if you can live with the minus plays every 5th game, he will not commit an error and he'll give you a 30-30 season, for just over 5 million.  He's one of the more intriguing cost-benefit players in the sim I think. 

With the cost of great range SS now.That have no bat I can sure live with HOJO minus plays.To have his wheels and great heavy bat.Plus never a error maybe be 1 e every 2 seasons.

begs the question. What do you think is more importantat SS, no errors and a ton of - plays that put runners on base, or good range? I opt for the former

His Strat card from 1989 was pretty devastating.

Slightly off topic, but I'm having good luck (so far) with '91 Hojo. After 217 AB's (in a 95M league at Shea), he's .276/.350/.502 with 10 HR and 8 SB.

The extra bonus is that you can stick '91 Hojo in the outfield (C-/C+)... it's actually his best position.

End of the season line for HOJO

Howard Johnson '89 (S) SS^ 4 98 737 619 33 169 61 .312 .411 .561 5.84M
Runs 157,hits 193 ,Double 49,triples 4,Stolen base 61
159 games played at SS,PO 359,ast 538,Zero Errors,4+,29- plays
Batting 5th almost all season