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Posted by tangplay on 4/27/2018 11:21:00 PM (view original):
Moy, I would LOVE to have a DISCUSSION about the WALL with you. No racism or PC talk. Just two open-minded individuals using logic and numbers to make educated arguments.

But you will probably decline and/or stop in the middle of said discussion because doing things like this is where Trumpism falls apart.

Start with why is there a fence around the White House, and why did Obama make it higher?

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Posted by tangplay on 4/27/2018 2:06:00 PM (view original):
Clinton probably wishes the race was based on policy. She would have won if it was.

Yep.

2016 was about personality and the idea that Clinton couldn’t be trusted.

Ironic that to avoid an unlikeable and (perceived) corrupt Clinton, we elected Trump, the most unlikeable and corrupt president in history.

I like how he admitted yesterday that Cohen was acting as his attorney when he dealt with Stormy Daniels. Oooops.

Lol.... Yeah, Trump won because of his charming personality!!!

You libs STILL don't get why Trump won. Now that's funny.

It certainly wasn't about policy because

a) trump doesn't understand policy
b) when he stated a policy preference on the campaign, it usually wasn't conservative
c) when he later flip-flopped that policy preference, trumpcult didn't bat an eye
d) now that he is president and has consistently failed to deliver ANY meaningful policy (ACA repeal, the wall, even non-impotent tax cuts), trumpcult didn't bat an eye.

People that support trump don't care about policy. They care about celebrity. They care about "their guy" being in power.

Nope, not about policy either.

He won because people are sick of establishment politicians (on both sides, see bernie sanders popularity) telling us what we want to hear, and then doing the opposite to please their special interest friends. Trump won because people are sick of PC solutions that don't work because they don't solve any actual problem. Trump won because he was speaking to 87% of counties in the US.

The reason the polls were wrong is because they never asked the questions that mattered to those that voted Trump.... Such as how they feel about political correctness.

OK, A) the polls weren't wrong. The final 12 polls of the 2016 election had Clinton up by, on average, 3 points. She won the vote by 2 points. That's pretty accurate.

B) The fact that Trump is a racist idiot without refinement doesn't mean he isn't "establishment." We know this because he packed his cabinet with people as swampy as anyone in DC. And guess what? trumpcult didn't bat an eye. Because they don't care about whether or not he is establishment. They love his celebrity.

Side question, what specific issue do you have with political correctness?

If the polls were correct then they would have predicted Trump in a landslide. You're referring to the national polling which doesn't mean ****. State by state is, as you learned, way more important to be accurate with.

He packed his cabinet with businessmen... more than most presidents. That's a huge PLUS!!! you can call that swampy all you want but his voters, the ones you'll never understand, did not want a bunch of know nothing, self absorbed, life long politicians filling those positions. To us, that's swampy.

PC doesn't solve anything. For instance, you libs think I'm racist because I point out black on black crime is an epidemic (fact), whereas white cop shooting unarmed black man is an outlier (fact). You want to call ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS undocumented workers... they are ******* ILLEGAL (fact)!!! you like to call abortion women's rights.... Rather than **** THE BABIES RIGHTS. Have you ever seen any issue from the other side or is it easier to just stick to your comforting language like undocumented workers and women's rights to make you feel like you're in the right, so PC-like of you.

1. Trump did not win in a landslide. He lost the popular vote. I honestly could not care less about the electoral vote. Clinton won. The polls were correct.
2. Define 'swampy.'
3. Black crime is not an 'epidemic', cops shooting black men is not an 'outlier', I don't want to call them undocumented workers, your position on abortion is actually the PC one, and I do see issues from both sides.

BTW you aren't racist for your comments on black people, you are just ignorant.

Lol.... I could win the popular vote if I campaigned in 10 cities.... THAT'S WHY WE HAVE AN ELECTORAL SYSTEM. don't be a dumbass. Elections are won by electoral votes by design.
swampy=life long politicians, sending tax payer money to special interest groups.
Most of your point #3 is statistically stooooopid.... How many white cops, out of all incidents where white cops are involved with unarmed black men, actually shoot the unarmed black man? What's that percentage? Now what's the percentage of black men that are killing black men? Leave out suicides.... How many shootings are white on white crime, white on black crime, vs black on black crime. This is EXACTLY my point. YOU'RE TOO PC TO EVEN HAVE THIS CONVERSATION.

And btw - am I racist because I want a ******* southern wall that actually works rather than the half assed wall that Clinton and Bush started building?
.

You ask what the percentage of white cops, out of all the incidents where white cops were involved with unarmed black men, actually shoot the black man? Probably rather small, but I'd bet a lot of money it is much higher than the percentage of white cops shooting unarmed white men they are involed with.

So take ALL cop shootings where any suspect is unarmed, what % of total shootings in the US is that? My point... It's less that 1%.... An outlier. Anything within that 1%, no matter how it's diced, is still an outlier. Deal with the bulk of the shootings, which you'll find is in poor urban communities due to gangs and drugs, not cops.

You’re missing the point. Of course it’s a tragedy anytime anyone is murdered. But a normal murder is investigated and, if the killer is found, he’s brought to justice.

When a cop kills an innocent person, it’s an injustice and, usually, the cop is never held accountable.

Cops rarely shoot ''innocent" people. In almost all instances the person who was shot was resisting arrest, which is illegal.

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Posted by tangplay on 4/27/2018 11:21:00 PM (view original):
Moy, I would LOVE to have a DISCUSSION about the WALL with you. No racism or PC talk. Just two open-minded individuals using logic and numbers to make educated arguments.

But you will probably decline and/or stop in the middle of said discussion because doing things like this is where Trumpism falls apart.

Start with why is there a fence around the White House, and why did Obama make it higher?

There is a fence around the white house for security reasons. You don't want random people walking onto the white house. Obama made it higher because of security. If you want to draw a comparison to the border wall, it would be a bad one. Go ahead, try.

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Posted by tangplay on 4/27/2018 2:06:00 PM (view original):
Clinton probably wishes the race was based on policy. She would have won if it was.

Yep.

2016 was about personality and the idea that Clinton couldn’t be trusted.

Ironic that to avoid an unlikeable and (perceived) corrupt Clinton, we elected Trump, the most unlikeable and corrupt president in history.

I like how he admitted yesterday that Cohen was acting as his attorney when he dealt with Stormy Daniels. Oooops.

Lol.... Yeah, Trump won because of his charming personality!!!

You libs STILL don't get why Trump won. Now that's funny.

It certainly wasn't about policy because

a) trump doesn't understand policy
b) when he stated a policy preference on the campaign, it usually wasn't conservative
c) when he later flip-flopped that policy preference, trumpcult didn't bat an eye
d) now that he is president and has consistently failed to deliver ANY meaningful policy (ACA repeal, the wall, even non-impotent tax cuts), trumpcult didn't bat an eye.

People that support trump don't care about policy. They care about celebrity. They care about "their guy" being in power.

Nope, not about policy either.

He won because people are sick of establishment politicians (on both sides, see bernie sanders popularity) telling us what we want to hear, and then doing the opposite to please their special interest friends. Trump won because people are sick of PC solutions that don't work because they don't solve any actual problem. Trump won because he was speaking to 87% of counties in the US.

The reason the polls were wrong is because they never asked the questions that mattered to those that voted Trump.... Such as how they feel about political correctness.

OK, A) the polls weren't wrong. The final 12 polls of the 2016 election had Clinton up by, on average, 3 points. She won the vote by 2 points. That's pretty accurate.

B) The fact that Trump is a racist idiot without refinement doesn't mean he isn't "establishment." We know this because he packed his cabinet with people as swampy as anyone in DC. And guess what? trumpcult didn't bat an eye. Because they don't care about whether or not he is establishment. They love his celebrity.

Side question, what specific issue do you have with political correctness?

If the polls were correct then they would have predicted Trump in a landslide. You're referring to the national polling which doesn't mean ****. State by state is, as you learned, way more important to be accurate with.

He packed his cabinet with businessmen... more than most presidents. That's a huge PLUS!!! you can call that swampy all you want but his voters, the ones you'll never understand, did not want a bunch of know nothing, self absorbed, life long politicians filling those positions. To us, that's swampy.

PC doesn't solve anything. For instance, you libs think I'm racist because I point out black on black crime is an epidemic (fact), whereas white cop shooting unarmed black man is an outlier (fact). You want to call ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS undocumented workers... they are ******* ILLEGAL (fact)!!! you like to call abortion women's rights.... Rather than **** THE BABIES RIGHTS. Have you ever seen any issue from the other side or is it easier to just stick to your comforting language like undocumented workers and women's rights to make you feel like you're in the right, so PC-like of you.

1. Trump did not win in a landslide. He lost the popular vote. I honestly could not care less about the electoral vote. Clinton won. The polls were correct.
2. Define 'swampy.'
3. Black crime is not an 'epidemic', cops shooting black men is not an 'outlier', I don't want to call them undocumented workers, your position on abortion is actually the PC one, and I do see issues from both sides.

BTW you aren't racist for your comments on black people, you are just ignorant.

Lol.... I could win the popular vote if I campaigned in 10 cities.... THAT'S WHY WE HAVE AN ELECTORAL SYSTEM. don't be a dumbass. Elections are won by electoral votes by design.
swampy=life long politicians, sending tax payer money to special interest groups.
Most of your point #3 is statistically stooooopid.... How many white cops, out of all incidents where white cops are involved with unarmed black men, actually shoot the unarmed black man? What's that percentage? Now what's the percentage of black men that are killing black men? Leave out suicides.... How many shootings are white on white crime, white on black crime, vs black on black crime. This is EXACTLY my point. YOU'RE TOO PC TO EVEN HAVE THIS CONVERSATION.

And btw - am I racist because I want a ******* southern wall that actually works rather than the half assed wall that Clinton and Bush started building?
.

You ask what the percentage of white cops, out of all the incidents where white cops were involved with unarmed black men, actually shoot the black man? Probably rather small, but I'd bet a lot of money it is much higher than the percentage of white cops shooting unarmed white men they are involed with.

So take ALL cop shootings where any suspect is unarmed, what % of total shootings in the US is that? My point... It's less that 1%.... An outlier. Anything within that 1%, no matter how it's diced, is still an outlier. Deal with the bulk of the shootings, which you'll find is in poor urban communities due to gangs and drugs, not cops.

You’re missing the point. Of course it’s a tragedy anytime anyone is murdered. But a normal murder is investigated and, if the killer is found, he’s brought to justice.

When a cop kills an innocent person, it’s an injustice and, usually, the cop is never held accountable.

Cops rarely shoot ''innocent" people. In almost all instances the person who was shot was resisting arrest, which is illegal.

Posted by bagchucker on 4/28/2018 4:17:00 PM (view original):
you mean we shouldnt

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Posted by tangplay on 4/27/2018 11:21:00 PM (view original):
Moy, I would LOVE to have a DISCUSSION about the WALL with you. No racism or PC talk. Just two open-minded individuals using logic and numbers to make educated arguments.

But you will probably decline and/or stop in the middle of said discussion because doing things like this is where Trumpism falls apart.

Start with why is there a fence around the White House, and why did Obama make it higher?

There is a fence around the white house for security reasons. You don't want random people walking onto the white house. Obama made it higher because of security. If you want to draw a comparison to the border wall, it would be a bad one. Go ahead, try.

How is it a bad one? Fences are put in place to prevent things from getting in, security.... Higher fences with anti climbing tops are meant to keep people from getting over the fence. They put a fence around the White House to do just that. Why won't it work on the border?

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Posted by tangplay on 4/27/2018 11:21:00 PM (view original):
Moy, I would LOVE to have a DISCUSSION about the WALL with you. No racism or PC talk. Just two open-minded individuals using logic and numbers to make educated arguments.

But you will probably decline and/or stop in the middle of said discussion because doing things like this is where Trumpism falls apart.

Start with why is there a fence around the White House, and why did Obama make it higher?

There is a fence around the white house for security reasons. You don't want random people walking onto the white house. Obama made it higher because of security. If you want to draw a comparison to the border wall, it would be a bad one. Go ahead, try.

How is it a bad one? Fences are put in place to prevent things from getting in, security.... Higher fences with anti climbing tops are meant to keep people from getting over the fence. They put a fence around the White House to do just that. Why won't it work on the border?

1. You can fly over a wall
2. A fence around the white house is much smaller than a wall on a border, and thus costs less and has more security
3. You can boat around a wall
4. You can get drugs over a wall
5. You can climb a wall securely because there is less security.

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Posted by tangplay on 4/27/2018 11:21:00 PM (view original):
Moy, I would LOVE to have a DISCUSSION about the WALL with you. No racism or PC talk. Just two open-minded individuals using logic and numbers to make educated arguments.

But you will probably decline and/or stop in the middle of said discussion because doing things like this is where Trumpism falls apart.

Start with why is there a fence around the White House, and why did Obama make it higher?

There is a fence around the white house for security reasons. You don't want random people walking onto the white house. Obama made it higher because of security. If you want to draw a comparison to the border wall, it would be a bad one. Go ahead, try.

How is it a bad one? Fences are put in place to prevent things from getting in, security.... Higher fences with anti climbing tops are meant to keep people from getting over the fence. They put a fence around the White House to do just that. Why won't it work on the border?

1. You can fly over a wall
2. A fence around the white house is much smaller than a wall on a border, and thus costs less and has more security
3. You can boat around a wall
4. You can get drugs over a wall
5. You can climb a wall securely because there is less security.

Do you think Israel uses just a fence to guard it's borders? Or that the white house doesn't have armed secret service agents to compliment the fence... As well as ground to sure missiles on the roof?