TRUMP: Best President ever Topic

LOl, so mad bro, so mad. Calm down, I hope you don't talk like that in front of your kids.


Trump can totally go nuclear and fire Rosenstein and Mueller and anyone else he wants....there's a reason he won't and a reason his attorneys were going to quit if he did. In the meantime, until Trump decides to go that way, it's Rosenstein that holds the power to fire Mueller, not Sessions.

By Neal Katyal January 26
Neal Katyal ?is the former acting solicitor general of the United States and presently serves as a partner at Hogan Lovells and the Saunders professor of national security law at Georgetown University.

The news that President Trump ordered the firing of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III last June reminds us that this president has not lost his capacity to stun. Trump, as his defenders are already pointing out, does have the raw power to fire Mueller. But that is the least important of the questions now. Instead, we should focus on what this revelation means for the future of the rule of law in America and the Trump administration. Only one previous president attempted to remove a special prosecutor. And things didn’t work out too well for Richard Nixon.

Mueller is appointed under special counsel regulations that I had the privilege of drafting almost two decades ago. The idea was to replace the unaccountable “independent counsel” system — which had allowed Ken Starr (Whitewater/Monica Lewinsky) and Laurence Walsh (Iran-contra) to operate free of ordinary checks and balances — with something more calibrated. There was wide bipartisan consensus that law enforcement investigations ultimately had to be overseen by the president under Article II of the Constitution. What this meant was that there was no way to totally insulate a special counsel from being removed by a president. Yes, the president might first have to order the regulations rescinded or demand that the Justice Department fire the prosecutor, but one way or another, he’d have the raw power to fire even a counsel investigating his own actions. But because of that constitutional reality, the Justice Department, working with Congress, devised a mechanism to try to protect the special counsel in a different way.

[Trump or Congress can still block Robert Mueller. I know. I wrote the rules.]

The idea was sunlight. The attorney general (or the acting one, if the attorney general is recused, as Jeff Sessions is in Mueller’s case) is to supervise the special counsel. To block a corrupt attorney general from interfering with a special counsel, we required any interference to be reported to Congress — and not just to the majority party, but the minority one as well. We particularly feared the “death by a thousand cuts” strategy, whereby a president or his attorney general would take the subtle approach of starving a prosecutor of resources or permissions. Those denials would fly under the radar, and no one denial would necessarily be significant, but collectively they would amount to massive interference. We therefore forced the attorney general’s hand: The regulations say that if he is going to interfere with a special counsel, it must be reported to Congress.

Which means Thursday’s report reveals cause for optimism about the regulations. Because Trump couldn’t subtly undermine Mueller or order his underlings to do that without it being reported to Congress, he had to resort to the bazooka. And while he does have the raw legal power to use the bazooka, it is atrocious judgment. (To use a not-so-hypothetical hypothetical: He has the raw legal power to launch a nuclear first strike, too, but that doesn’t make it wise.) Trump must understand that on some level. After all, he deliberately hid his botched attempt to fire Mueller for seven months and then said two months later (last August) that he hadn’t “given it any thought.” Meanwhile, his lawyer John Dowd that month said that firing Mueller has “never been on the table, never” and that “it’s a manifestation of the media.” Adviser Kellyanne Conway said Trump “has not discussed firing Bob Mueller.” Someone’s pants (actually many pants) are on fire.

But the reports also suggest reason for alarm. At this moment, many wish for legal restrictions in the special counsel regulations that would block Trump from firing Mueller. But rules can do only so much; institutions are often what matters. As James Madison said, “a mere demarcation on parchment of the constitutional limits” is never enough. Our system instead depends on two weapons in We the People’s arsenal: separation of powers and the election of individuals with character and judgment.

Right now, both are lacking.

Congress has proved itself incapable of investigating the president, and, as the sideshow this week with House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) shows, far more interested in throwing up chaff. Without a credible congressional investigation (which ordinarily would be wide-ranging, not just the criminal-focused one Mueller is overseeing), it is hard to get to the bottom of complex matters such as Trump’s potential ties to Russia.

[Now Congress has to act to keep Trump from firing Mueller on a whim]

The president, for his part, has shown an insouciance toward the rule of law unparalleled by any of his predecessors since Watergate. His trumped-up phony attacks on Mueller’s ethics to justify his firing do not pass the laugh test. They are of a piece with everything else this president does when it comes to the law: manipulate and belittle it. Whether it is “so-called judges” or attacking the career men and women of the FBI, he is Nixonian in temperament and character.

Nixon ultimately was forced out of office with impeachment proceedings pending against him in Congress. But the fear here is that today’s Congress is simply incapable of doing its job — even when it comes to simply investigating what the president and those around him have done. The devil’s cocktail is now upon us: a feckless Congress and a president who lacks character and judgment. It is enough to test the resiliency of our constitutional system.


1/27/2018 11:36 PM
Posted by cccp1014 on 1/27/2018 11:28:00 PM (view original):
Again FU Jeff. Just FU and your liberal biased views.

But could he legally squash the investigation if he wanted to?


Because Attorney General Jeff Sessions recused himself from the investigation, the decision to appoint a special counsel fell to Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein. In his order making the appointment, Rosenstein cited federal regulations issued by the attorney general in 1999, 28 C.F.R. § 600.4-600.10. The rules were drafted in the wake of the Kenneth Starr investigation of President Bill Clinton.

According to those regulations, a special counsel “may be disciplined or removed from office only by the personal action of the Attorney General” (or in this case, the acting attorney general). And Rosenstein can’t just do it on a whim, either. According to the regulation, special counsel can only be removed “for misconduct, dereliction of duty, incapacity, conflict of interest, or for other good cause, including violation of Departmental policies.”

In a Senate hearing on June 13, Rosenstein said he alone exercises firing authority, and that he had not seen any evidence of good cause for firing Mueller.

“It’s certainly theoretically possible that the attorney general could fire him, but that’s the only person who has authority to fire him,” Rosenstein said. “And in fact, the chain of command for the special counsel is only directly to the attorney general, in this case the acting attorney general.”


If he wanted to, wrote Jack Goldsmith, a Harvard Law School professor and co-founder of Lawfare, Trump could then fire Rosenstein. In that case, the authority over Mueller would fall to the associate attorney general. In theory — and ignoring the political consequences of doing so — Trump could keep firing people until he got someone to follow through on an order to fire Mueller.


“That means it could go down the line until an assistant attorney general did not resign and instead carried out the President’s order,” Goldsmith wrote.




There’s yet another route the president could take, Neal Katyal, a professor of national security law at Georgetown University, wrote in a piece for the Washington Post on May 19: “Trump could order the special-counsel regulations repealed and then fire Mueller himself.”


Katyal said he would know, because back in 1999, he was tapped by then-Attorney General Janet Reno to head an internal working group on the issue of special counsel — and he helped write the regulations now being cited by Rosenstein.


“The rules provide only so much protection: Congress, Trump and the Justice Department still have the power to stymie (or even terminate) Mueller’s inquiry,” Katyal wrote.


Again, FU Jeff. HRC was dirty.

what does HRC have to do with this?

That's 15 yards for flagrant whataboutism.
1/27/2018 11:37 PM
My point was he CAN but he won’t. So why the F do people care if he was thinking about it? Obviously the investigation is somewhat compromised. And I am not talking I am typing.

Christ you are obtuse.
1/27/2018 11:38 PM
Posted by The Taint on 1/27/2018 11:37:00 PM (view original):
Posted by cccp1014 on 1/27/2018 11:28:00 PM (view original):
Again FU Jeff. Just FU and your liberal biased views.

But could he legally squash the investigation if he wanted to?


Because Attorney General Jeff Sessions recused himself from the investigation, the decision to appoint a special counsel fell to Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein. In his order making the appointment, Rosenstein cited federal regulations issued by the attorney general in 1999, 28 C.F.R. § 600.4-600.10. The rules were drafted in the wake of the Kenneth Starr investigation of President Bill Clinton.

According to those regulations, a special counsel “may be disciplined or removed from office only by the personal action of the Attorney General” (or in this case, the acting attorney general). And Rosenstein can’t just do it on a whim, either. According to the regulation, special counsel can only be removed “for misconduct, dereliction of duty, incapacity, conflict of interest, or for other good cause, including violation of Departmental policies.”

In a Senate hearing on June 13, Rosenstein said he alone exercises firing authority, and that he had not seen any evidence of good cause for firing Mueller.

“It’s certainly theoretically possible that the attorney general could fire him, but that’s the only person who has authority to fire him,” Rosenstein said. “And in fact, the chain of command for the special counsel is only directly to the attorney general, in this case the acting attorney general.”


If he wanted to, wrote Jack Goldsmith, a Harvard Law School professor and co-founder of Lawfare, Trump could then fire Rosenstein. In that case, the authority over Mueller would fall to the associate attorney general. In theory — and ignoring the political consequences of doing so — Trump could keep firing people until he got someone to follow through on an order to fire Mueller.


“That means it could go down the line until an assistant attorney general did not resign and instead carried out the President’s order,” Goldsmith wrote.




There’s yet another route the president could take, Neal Katyal, a professor of national security law at Georgetown University, wrote in a piece for the Washington Post on May 19: “Trump could order the special-counsel regulations repealed and then fire Mueller himself.”


Katyal said he would know, because back in 1999, he was tapped by then-Attorney General Janet Reno to head an internal working group on the issue of special counsel — and he helped write the regulations now being cited by Rosenstein.


“The rules provide only so much protection: Congress, Trump and the Justice Department still have the power to stymie (or even terminate) Mueller’s inquiry,” Katyal wrote.


Again, FU Jeff. HRC was dirty.

what does HRC have to do with this?

That's 15 yards for flagrant whataboutism.
HRC was guilty as hell but the Left didn’t care. The Left is full of hypocrites. That’s what this has to do with. FBI has lost a lot of credibility. My kids actually do see these posts and they think you have liberal blinders on. Their words. Not mine.

1/27/2018 11:40 PM
Posted by cccp1014 on 1/27/2018 11:40:00 PM (view original):
Posted by The Taint on 1/27/2018 11:37:00 PM (view original):
Posted by cccp1014 on 1/27/2018 11:28:00 PM (view original):
Again FU Jeff. Just FU and your liberal biased views.

But could he legally squash the investigation if he wanted to?


Because Attorney General Jeff Sessions recused himself from the investigation, the decision to appoint a special counsel fell to Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein. In his order making the appointment, Rosenstein cited federal regulations issued by the attorney general in 1999, 28 C.F.R. § 600.4-600.10. The rules were drafted in the wake of the Kenneth Starr investigation of President Bill Clinton.

According to those regulations, a special counsel “may be disciplined or removed from office only by the personal action of the Attorney General” (or in this case, the acting attorney general). And Rosenstein can’t just do it on a whim, either. According to the regulation, special counsel can only be removed “for misconduct, dereliction of duty, incapacity, conflict of interest, or for other good cause, including violation of Departmental policies.”

In a Senate hearing on June 13, Rosenstein said he alone exercises firing authority, and that he had not seen any evidence of good cause for firing Mueller.

“It’s certainly theoretically possible that the attorney general could fire him, but that’s the only person who has authority to fire him,” Rosenstein said. “And in fact, the chain of command for the special counsel is only directly to the attorney general, in this case the acting attorney general.”


If he wanted to, wrote Jack Goldsmith, a Harvard Law School professor and co-founder of Lawfare, Trump could then fire Rosenstein. In that case, the authority over Mueller would fall to the associate attorney general. In theory — and ignoring the political consequences of doing so — Trump could keep firing people until he got someone to follow through on an order to fire Mueller.


“That means it could go down the line until an assistant attorney general did not resign and instead carried out the President’s order,” Goldsmith wrote.




There’s yet another route the president could take, Neal Katyal, a professor of national security law at Georgetown University, wrote in a piece for the Washington Post on May 19: “Trump could order the special-counsel regulations repealed and then fire Mueller himself.”


Katyal said he would know, because back in 1999, he was tapped by then-Attorney General Janet Reno to head an internal working group on the issue of special counsel — and he helped write the regulations now being cited by Rosenstein.


“The rules provide only so much protection: Congress, Trump and the Justice Department still have the power to stymie (or even terminate) Mueller’s inquiry,” Katyal wrote.


Again, FU Jeff. HRC was dirty.

what does HRC have to do with this?

That's 15 yards for flagrant whataboutism.
HRC was guilty as hell but the Left didn’t care. The Left is full of hypocrites. That’s what this has to do with. FBI has lost a lot of credibility. My kids actually do see these posts and they think you have liberal blinders on. Their words. Not mine.

Oh man, you kill me.

The guy who you quoted in your post also said this:


The president, for his part, has shown an insouciance toward the rule of law unparalleled by any of his predecessors since Watergate. His trumped-up phony attacks on Mueller’s ethics to justify his firing do not pass the laugh test. They are of a piece with everything else this president does when it comes to the law: manipulate and belittle it. Whether it is “so-called judges” or attacking the career men and women of the FBI, he is Nixonian in temperament and character.

My two FBI friends say that Trump and the people in Congress attacking the integrity of the election are so full of ****, they don't know what to make of it.
1/27/2018 11:46 PM
If you don’t think the FBI looks bad here then so be it. The server issue with HRC looks bad. The FISA court issue looks bad. Peter Strozk issue looks bad. 500 missing text messages looks bad.

Your friends must share your blinders. I am Not saying anyone is guilty or not guilty but it looks bad.
1/27/2018 11:51 PM
Posted by cccp1014 on 1/27/2018 11:40:00 PM (view original):
Posted by The Taint on 1/27/2018 11:37:00 PM (view original):
Posted by cccp1014 on 1/27/2018 11:28:00 PM (view original):
Again FU Jeff. Just FU and your liberal biased views.

But could he legally squash the investigation if he wanted to?


Because Attorney General Jeff Sessions recused himself from the investigation, the decision to appoint a special counsel fell to Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein. In his order making the appointment, Rosenstein cited federal regulations issued by the attorney general in 1999, 28 C.F.R. § 600.4-600.10. The rules were drafted in the wake of the Kenneth Starr investigation of President Bill Clinton.

According to those regulations, a special counsel “may be disciplined or removed from office only by the personal action of the Attorney General” (or in this case, the acting attorney general). And Rosenstein can’t just do it on a whim, either. According to the regulation, special counsel can only be removed “for misconduct, dereliction of duty, incapacity, conflict of interest, or for other good cause, including violation of Departmental policies.”

In a Senate hearing on June 13, Rosenstein said he alone exercises firing authority, and that he had not seen any evidence of good cause for firing Mueller.

“It’s certainly theoretically possible that the attorney general could fire him, but that’s the only person who has authority to fire him,” Rosenstein said. “And in fact, the chain of command for the special counsel is only directly to the attorney general, in this case the acting attorney general.”


If he wanted to, wrote Jack Goldsmith, a Harvard Law School professor and co-founder of Lawfare, Trump could then fire Rosenstein. In that case, the authority over Mueller would fall to the associate attorney general. In theory — and ignoring the political consequences of doing so — Trump could keep firing people until he got someone to follow through on an order to fire Mueller.


“That means it could go down the line until an assistant attorney general did not resign and instead carried out the President’s order,” Goldsmith wrote.




There’s yet another route the president could take, Neal Katyal, a professor of national security law at Georgetown University, wrote in a piece for the Washington Post on May 19: “Trump could order the special-counsel regulations repealed and then fire Mueller himself.”


Katyal said he would know, because back in 1999, he was tapped by then-Attorney General Janet Reno to head an internal working group on the issue of special counsel — and he helped write the regulations now being cited by Rosenstein.


“The rules provide only so much protection: Congress, Trump and the Justice Department still have the power to stymie (or even terminate) Mueller’s inquiry,” Katyal wrote.


Again, FU Jeff. HRC was dirty.

what does HRC have to do with this?

That's 15 yards for flagrant whataboutism.
HRC was guilty as hell but the Left didn’t care. The Left is full of hypocrites. That’s what this has to do with. FBI has lost a lot of credibility. My kids actually do see these posts and they think you have liberal blinders on. Their words. Not mine.

If she's guilty as hell, throw her in prison. That a Republican party that holds all the cards in today's politics hasn't been able to, has me rather skeptical. If her foundation was crooked, throw her in jail, I don't give two *****.

According to the tin-foil on the right, she lacks stamina and the skills to hold any office but she's the worlds greatest serial killer and thief. You think both sides aren't hypocrites? LOL. Do you see me defending Franken or Weinstein? I think Harry Reid was the worse thing to ever happen to the Senate...next to McConnell I should say. Pelosi can suck a dick. I think Bernie is a loon. I've voted Republican for president one less time than I've voted Democrat. Would have been swapped if Kasich had won the nomination. He was the only sane candidate on either side.

1/27/2018 11:53 PM
Posted by cccp1014 on 1/27/2018 11:51:00 PM (view original):
If you don’t think the FBI looks bad here then so be it. The server issue with HRC looks bad. The FISA court issue looks bad. Peter Strozk issue looks bad. 500 missing text messages looks bad.

Your friends must share your blinders. I am Not saying anyone is guilty or not guilty but it looks bad.
Do you know something about the FISA issue that we don't? All I hear is a bunch of bullshit coming out of Devin Nunes's mouth. Hahaha, the Strozk thing is a freaking edited talking point. Just like the Fusion testimony was until it was released in it's entirety. If there's something there, then toss him in jail also. Mueller got rid of him as he should have.

Tell us about the "Secret Society". LOL
1/27/2018 11:56 PM
Of course both sides are hypocrites!!!! LOL

1/27/2018 11:57 PM
Posted by The Taint on 1/27/2018 11:53:00 PM (view original):
Posted by cccp1014 on 1/27/2018 11:40:00 PM (view original):
Posted by The Taint on 1/27/2018 11:37:00 PM (view original):
Posted by cccp1014 on 1/27/2018 11:28:00 PM (view original):
Again FU Jeff. Just FU and your liberal biased views.

But could he legally squash the investigation if he wanted to?


Because Attorney General Jeff Sessions recused himself from the investigation, the decision to appoint a special counsel fell to Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein. In his order making the appointment, Rosenstein cited federal regulations issued by the attorney general in 1999, 28 C.F.R. § 600.4-600.10. The rules were drafted in the wake of the Kenneth Starr investigation of President Bill Clinton.

According to those regulations, a special counsel “may be disciplined or removed from office only by the personal action of the Attorney General” (or in this case, the acting attorney general). And Rosenstein can’t just do it on a whim, either. According to the regulation, special counsel can only be removed “for misconduct, dereliction of duty, incapacity, conflict of interest, or for other good cause, including violation of Departmental policies.”

In a Senate hearing on June 13, Rosenstein said he alone exercises firing authority, and that he had not seen any evidence of good cause for firing Mueller.

“It’s certainly theoretically possible that the attorney general could fire him, but that’s the only person who has authority to fire him,” Rosenstein said. “And in fact, the chain of command for the special counsel is only directly to the attorney general, in this case the acting attorney general.”


If he wanted to, wrote Jack Goldsmith, a Harvard Law School professor and co-founder of Lawfare, Trump could then fire Rosenstein. In that case, the authority over Mueller would fall to the associate attorney general. In theory — and ignoring the political consequences of doing so — Trump could keep firing people until he got someone to follow through on an order to fire Mueller.


“That means it could go down the line until an assistant attorney general did not resign and instead carried out the President’s order,” Goldsmith wrote.




There’s yet another route the president could take, Neal Katyal, a professor of national security law at Georgetown University, wrote in a piece for the Washington Post on May 19: “Trump could order the special-counsel regulations repealed and then fire Mueller himself.”


Katyal said he would know, because back in 1999, he was tapped by then-Attorney General Janet Reno to head an internal working group on the issue of special counsel — and he helped write the regulations now being cited by Rosenstein.


“The rules provide only so much protection: Congress, Trump and the Justice Department still have the power to stymie (or even terminate) Mueller’s inquiry,” Katyal wrote.


Again, FU Jeff. HRC was dirty.

what does HRC have to do with this?

That's 15 yards for flagrant whataboutism.
HRC was guilty as hell but the Left didn’t care. The Left is full of hypocrites. That’s what this has to do with. FBI has lost a lot of credibility. My kids actually do see these posts and they think you have liberal blinders on. Their words. Not mine.

If she's guilty as hell, throw her in prison. That a Republican party that holds all the cards in today's politics hasn't been able to, has me rather skeptical. If her foundation was crooked, throw her in jail, I don't give two *****.

According to the tin-foil on the right, she lacks stamina and the skills to hold any office but she's the worlds greatest serial killer and thief. You think both sides aren't hypocrites? LOL. Do you see me defending Franken or Weinstein? I think Harry Reid was the worse thing to ever happen to the Senate...next to McConnell I should say. Pelosi can suck a dick. I think Bernie is a loon. I've voted Republican for president one less time than I've voted Democrat. Would have been swapped if Kasich had won the nomination. He was the only sane candidate on either side.

How was Rubio not sane?
1/27/2018 11:58 PM
and by the way, all the text messages have been recovered.
1/27/2018 11:59 PM
Marco "Which way does the wind blow?" Rubio?


His debates were terrible. Everything seemed scripted and fake. Never been a fan.
1/28/2018 12:02 AM
Yes he is not charismatic nor qualified IMO but he was sane.

1/28/2018 12:03 AM
Posted by The Taint on 1/27/2018 11:59:00 PM (view original):
and by the way, all the text messages have been recovered.
Yeah but they were lost initially. This whole thing looks bad is all I am saying. On both sides. Politicians for the most part are terrible.

1/28/2018 12:05 AM
I'll give you he was sane. At least he didn't accuse Ted Cruz's dad of being the Zodiac Killer. LOL
1/28/2018 12:10 AM
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