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Posted by strikeout26 on 12/11/2017 10:12:00 AM (view original):
Fetuses have heart beats, they eat, they poop, they kick. If that isn't a baby then what the hell is it?

Not first trimester.

Yes in the first trimester.

Heart beats start at 6 weeks
They start peeing at week 10
Babys start absorbing nutrients at week 6
babys start kicking around week 16

The only one that starts in the 2nd trimester is the last one and its early in the 2nd trimester. You have been lied to by liberals over and over again. It is a baby in the first trimester.

Hmm. OK I was wrong. Let me restate a different approach. Abortion legal until week 6. Better?

Once a fetus becomes a baby, like when the heart beats etc, that's when I was against it.

Posted by tangplay on 12/11/2017 4:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 12/11/2017 10:48:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by strikeout26 on 12/11/2017 10:14:00 AM (view original):
Also, if a pregnant woman is murdered and the baby dies too its double homicide, so obviously the law sees it as a baby. How is not murder if the mother chooses to kill it, but it is murder if someone else kills it. Use some common sense man.

Good point. However the law also says that the minors rights are superseded by adults. When the rights come into clash, the minor's rights do not outweigh.

Poor argument. Rights of a minor's guardian do not include death of that minor.

It does if the death of the guardian can be prevented by the death of the minor... or it should.

Posted by strikeout26 on 12/11/2017 5:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/11/2017 4:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 12/11/2017 3:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/11/2017 1:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 12/11/2017 10:47:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 12/11/2017 10:38:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 12/11/2017 10:12:00 AM (view original):
Fetuses have heart beats, they eat, they poop, they kick. If that isn't a baby then what the hell is it?

Not first trimester.

Yes in the first trimester.

Heart beats start at 6 weeks
They start peeing at week 10
Babys start absorbing nutrients at week 6
babys start kicking around week 16

The only one that starts in the 2nd trimester is the last one and its early in the 2nd trimester. You have been lied to by liberals over and over again. It is a baby in the first trimester.

Then take it out of the mom that doesn’t want it during the first trimester and give it to an adoptive family.

Another lame argument by the left. Guess what, my 2 year old is dependent for survival. Should I just destroy him if he becomes an inconvenience. That mom made a choice to have sex, rape cases excluded. She is now obligated to the consequences.

You are an articulate person who generally makes logical arguments, whether I agree with them or not is irrelevant, but this might have been the dumbest thing you've said on here.

Your two year old is dependent on care, but that care doesn't have to come from you. Just about anyone can care for him.

Let me know when there is a fetus babysitting service available and I'll consider fetuses and toddlers analogous.

Having sex doesn't result in giving up your right to control what happens in your body.

This is the problem with the left (and right). There's no self-accountability anymore. Consequences don't matter. Everything is morally relative and it is leading to a very quick decline of our country.

Whether you agree with the religion or not, when America was a Christian nation it had something that gave us universal guidelines to live by. Most cultures have that; whether it honor of family, religion, or whatever else. We have nothing. It has led to a country of heathens. It led to leaders like Trump. Our 2 options for presidents were two of the more despicable people in power. While I agreed with very little that our last presidents did, at least they both had morals. Point is, we are in major trouble and, like it or not, it started when God was removed from America.

I know that is really choppy writing, but oh well.

Posted by tangplay on 12/11/2017 5:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/11/2017 1:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 12/11/2017 10:47:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 12/11/2017 10:38:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 12/11/2017 10:12:00 AM (view original):
Fetuses have heart beats, they eat, they poop, they kick. If that isn't a baby then what the hell is it?

Not first trimester.

Yes in the first trimester.

Heart beats start at 6 weeks
They start peeing at week 10
Babys start absorbing nutrients at week 6
babys start kicking around week 16

The only one that starts in the 2nd trimester is the last one and its early in the 2nd trimester. You have been lied to by liberals over and over again. It is a baby in the first trimester.

Then take it out of the mom that doesn’t want it during the first trimester and give it to an adoptive family.

Again, as I said earlier it just is flat out not that simple.... fun fact I get to have a worker come to my house in about an hour to question me about how much adoption sucks! Isn't adoption great?

Posted by bad_luck on 12/11/2017 5:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 12/11/2017 4:58:00 PM (view original):
Once again, our Declaration of Independence guarantees us the right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Every unborn child that has been murdered (before BL starts, I know it's not murder in legal terminology, but it's murder) has been denied that right. That is unconstitutional.

Not to mention, it's a heinous, despicable act that goes against everything decent.

The mom has a right to decide what happens inside her body. It's unfortunate, but her rights supersede those of her guest's.

Posted by bad_luck on 12/11/2017 5:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 12/11/2017 5:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/11/2017 1:29:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by tangplay on 12/11/2017 10:38:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 12/11/2017 10:12:00 AM (view original):
Fetuses have heart beats, they eat, they poop, they kick. If that isn't a baby then what the hell is it?

Not first trimester.

Yes in the first trimester.

Heart beats start at 6 weeks
They start peeing at week 10
Babys start absorbing nutrients at week 6
babys start kicking around week 16

The only one that starts in the 2nd trimester is the last one and its early in the 2nd trimester. You have been lied to by liberals over and over again. It is a baby in the first trimester.

Then take it out of the mom that doesn’t want it during the first trimester and give it to an adoptive family.

Again, as I said earlier it just is flat out not that simple.... fun fact I get to have a worker come to my house in about an hour to question me about how much adoption sucks! Isn't adoption great?

I was being sarcastic. Fetuses can't be removed or they die. That's why they aren't considered separate people.

Posted by strikeout26 on 12/11/2017 5:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/11/2017 5:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 12/11/2017 4:58:00 PM (view original):
Once again, our Declaration of Independence guarantees us the right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Every unborn child that has been murdered (before BL starts, I know it's not murder in legal terminology, but it's murder) has been denied that right. That is unconstitutional.

Not to mention, it's a heinous, despicable act that goes against everything decent.

The mom has a right to decide what happens inside her body. It's unfortunate, but her rights supersede those of her guest's.

Once again, you and Tang keep using the word right. That baby has a right to life. Nothing in our constitution or Declaration of Independence says anything about the right to kill. It's unconstitutional. The perverted judges got it wrong.

Posted by bad_luck on 12/11/2017 5:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 12/11/2017 5:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/11/2017 4:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 12/11/2017 3:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/11/2017 1:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 12/11/2017 10:47:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 12/11/2017 10:38:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 12/11/2017 10:12:00 AM (view original):
Fetuses have heart beats, they eat, they poop, they kick. If that isn't a baby then what the hell is it?

Not first trimester.

Yes in the first trimester.

Heart beats start at 6 weeks
They start peeing at week 10
Babys start absorbing nutrients at week 6
babys start kicking around week 16

The only one that starts in the 2nd trimester is the last one and its early in the 2nd trimester. You have been lied to by liberals over and over again. It is a baby in the first trimester.

Then take it out of the mom that doesn’t want it during the first trimester and give it to an adoptive family.

Another lame argument by the left. Guess what, my 2 year old is dependent for survival. Should I just destroy him if he becomes an inconvenience. That mom made a choice to have sex, rape cases excluded. She is now obligated to the consequences.

You are an articulate person who generally makes logical arguments, whether I agree with them or not is irrelevant, but this might have been the dumbest thing you've said on here.

Your two year old is dependent on care, but that care doesn't have to come from you. Just about anyone can care for him.

Let me know when there is a fetus babysitting service available and I'll consider fetuses and toddlers analogous.

Having sex doesn't result in giving up your right to control what happens in your body.

This is the problem with the left (and right). There's no self-accountability anymore. Consequences don't matter. Everything is morally relative and it is leading to a very quick decline of our country.

Whether you agree with the religion or not, when America was a Christian nation it had something that gave us universal guidelines to live by. Most cultures have that; whether it honor of family, religion, or whatever else. We have nothing. It has led to a country of heathens. It led to leaders like Trump. Our 2 options for presidents were two of the more despicable people in power. While I agreed with very little that our last presidents did, at least they both had morals. Point is, we are in major trouble and, like it or not, it started when God was removed from America.

I know that is really choppy writing, but oh well.

OK, but for someone who loves to cite the declaration of independence, you sure love to ignore the constitution. We have religious freedom. That freedom has resulted in more people turning away from religion.

Posted by bad_luck on 12/11/2017 5:22:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 12/11/2017 5:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/11/2017 5:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 12/11/2017 4:58:00 PM (view original):
Once again, our Declaration of Independence guarantees us the right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Every unborn child that has been murdered (before BL starts, I know it's not murder in legal terminology, but it's murder) has been denied that right. That is unconstitutional.

Not to mention, it's a heinous, despicable act that goes against everything decent.

The mom has a right to decide what happens inside her body. It's unfortunate, but her rights supersede those of her guest's.

Once again, you and Tang keep using the word right. That baby has a right to life. Nothing in our constitution or Declaration of Independence says anything about the right to kill. It's unconstitutional. The perverted judges got it wrong.

Unfortunately, the fetus's rights do not supersede the mom's because the fetus is living inside her.

Posted by strikeout26 on 12/11/2017 5:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/11/2017 4:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 12/11/2017 3:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/11/2017 1:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 12/11/2017 10:47:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 12/11/2017 10:38:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 12/11/2017 10:12:00 AM (view original):
Fetuses have heart beats, they eat, they poop, they kick. If that isn't a baby then what the hell is it?

Not first trimester.

Yes in the first trimester.

Heart beats start at 6 weeks
They start peeing at week 10
Babys start absorbing nutrients at week 6
babys start kicking around week 16

The only one that starts in the 2nd trimester is the last one and its early in the 2nd trimester. You have been lied to by liberals over and over again. It is a baby in the first trimester.

Then take it out of the mom that doesn’t want it during the first trimester and give it to an adoptive family.

Another lame argument by the left. Guess what, my 2 year old is dependent for survival. Should I just destroy him if he becomes an inconvenience. That mom made a choice to have sex, rape cases excluded. She is now obligated to the consequences.

You are an articulate person who generally makes logical arguments, whether I agree with them or not is irrelevant, but this might have been the dumbest thing you've said on here.

Your two year old is dependent on care, but that care doesn't have to come from you. Just about anyone can care for him.

Let me know when there is a fetus babysitting service available and I'll consider fetuses and toddlers analogous.

Having sex doesn't result in giving up your right to control what happens in your body.

This is the problem with the left (and right). There's no self-accountability anymore. Consequences don't matter. Everything is morally relative and it is leading to a very quick decline of our country.

Whether you agree with the religion or not, when America was a Christian nation it had something that gave us universal guidelines to live by. Most cultures have that; whether it honor of family, religion, or whatever else. We have nothing. It has led to a country of heathens. It led to leaders like Trump. Our 2 options for presidents were two of the more despicable people in power. While I agreed with very little that our last presidents did, at least they both had morals. Point is, we are in major trouble and, like it or not, it started when God was removed from America.

I know that is really choppy writing, but oh well.

Posted by strikeout26 on 12/11/2017 5:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 12/11/2017 4:55:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 12/11/2017 10:47:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 12/11/2017 10:38:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 12/11/2017 10:12:00 AM (view original):
Fetuses have heart beats, they eat, they poop, they kick. If that isn't a baby then what the hell is it?

Not first trimester.

Yes in the first trimester.

Heart beats start at 6 weeks
They start peeing at week 10
Babys start absorbing nutrients at week 6
babys start kicking around week 16

The only one that starts in the 2nd trimester is the last one and its early in the 2nd trimester. You have been lied to by liberals over and over again. It is a baby in the first trimester.

Hmm. OK I was wrong. Let me restate a different approach. Abortion legal until week 6. Better?

Once a fetus becomes a baby, like when the heart beats etc, that's when I was against it.

Ohio tried to pass this. Just so you know, most women don't find out there pregnant until about week 6.