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Posted by strikeout26 on 12/10/2017 3:22:00 PM (view original):
And abortion is not an "American Freedom" despite what some perverted judges said. Freedom in America guarantees the right to life.

OK, here is my problem with that ideology. In my mind, making abortion illegal perpetuates the idea that women's only job is to have a kid. If a woman does not have a kid, they are taking away a baby's life, right? So let's force all women to have a baby, and if they don't, then they get put to jail.

Please remind me.... What is a consequence, other than STDs, of having sex? Oh yeah, a baby. If you're old enough to have sex then you're old enough to accept the consequence, no?

Exactly.

My problem with the whole issue is most people no longer take responsibility for their actions involving sex (and many other things) and the government is culpable for encouraging the lack of accountability by saying its OK to abort (or kill off) a baby.

Or it's that a woman a) Got raped, or b) Is a teen that does not want to live in poverty the rest of her life.

ADOPTION!!!

I have been on both sides of the adoption process. You are gonna be in an abusive home 90% of the time if you are a baby.

This is definitely not true. I'm sorry that you had a bad experience with it, but most parents looking to adopt are love parents.

Let me ask, since you were adopted and had a bad experience, would it have been better to abort you or do you feel like you still developed into a productive member of society and get to lead a good life?

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Posted by strikeout26 on 12/10/2017 3:22:00 PM (view original):
And abortion is not an "American Freedom" despite what some perverted judges said. Freedom in America guarantees the right to life.

OK, here is my problem with that ideology. In my mind, making abortion illegal perpetuates the idea that women's only job is to have a kid. If a woman does not have a kid, they are taking away a baby's life, right? So let's force all women to have a baby, and if they don't, then they get put to jail.

this has to be the stupidest thing ever written in these forums, congratulations you proven yourself dumber then RC and noone thought that was possible. "making abortion illegal perpetuates the idea that women's only job is to have kids" how demeaning to the major majority of women who planed a life,career and family instead of the minority of women who recklassly live for the day.

I don't actually believe that. I was saying that that perpetuates that idea.

Rape victims are very unfortunate. It doesn't make the kids life any less valuable. As far as the majority of cases, if a woman chooses to have sex and she gets pregnant, yes she should be forced to have that baby. She made a choice. Choices have consequences.

Also, you stated that you are a Christian. As a Christian, you should understand that God values all lives and the Bible is very direct about how God feels about the unborn.

Posted by strikeout26 on 12/10/2017 8:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 12/10/2017 8:37:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by moy23 on 12/10/2017 3:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 12/10/2017 3:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 12/10/2017 3:22:00 PM (view original):
And abortion is not an "American Freedom" despite what some perverted judges said. Freedom in America guarantees the right to life.

OK, here is my problem with that ideology. In my mind, making abortion illegal perpetuates the idea that women's only job is to have a kid. If a woman does not have a kid, they are taking away a baby's life, right? So let's force all women to have a baby, and if they don't, then they get put to jail.

Please remind me.... What is a consequence, other than STDs, of having sex? Oh yeah, a baby. If you're old enough to have sex then you're old enough to accept the consequence, no?

Exactly.

My problem with the whole issue is most people no longer take responsibility for their actions involving sex (and many other things) and the government is culpable for encouraging the lack of accountability by saying its OK to abort (or kill off) a baby.

Or it's that a woman a) Got raped, or b) Is a teen that does not want to live in poverty the rest of her life.

ADOPTION!!!

I have been on both sides of the adoption process. You are gonna be in an abusive home 90% of the time if you are a baby.

This is definitely not true. I'm sorry that you had a bad experience with it, but most parents looking to adopt are love parents.

Let me ask, since you were adopted and had a bad experience, would it have been better to abort you or do you feel like you still developed into a productive member of society and get to lead a good life?

(I was never adopted, I was almost adopted and my family has adopted)
I would like to see some stats of that, the burden of proof is on you.

I think it would be up to the parents to abort. I would not care, I would be a baby that doesn't have feelings or thoughts or emotions.

Posted by strikeout26 on 12/10/2017 8:51:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by strikeout26 on 12/10/2017 3:22:00 PM (view original):
And abortion is not an "American Freedom" despite what some perverted judges said. Freedom in America guarantees the right to life.

OK, here is my problem with that ideology. In my mind, making abortion illegal perpetuates the idea that women's only job is to have a kid. If a woman does not have a kid, they are taking away a baby's life, right? So let's force all women to have a baby, and if they don't, then they get put to jail.

this has to be the stupidest thing ever written in these forums, congratulations you proven yourself dumber then RC and noone thought that was possible. "making abortion illegal perpetuates the idea that women's only job is to have kids" how demeaning to the major majority of women who planed a life,career and family instead of the minority of women who recklassly live for the day.

I don't actually believe that. I was saying that that perpetuates that idea.

Rape victims are very unfortunate. It doesn't make the kids life any less valuable. As far as the majority of cases, if a woman chooses to have sex and she gets pregnant, yes she should be forced to have that baby. She made a choice. Choices have consequences.

Also, you stated that you are a Christian. As a Christian, you should understand that God values all lives and the Bible is very direct about how God feels about the unborn.

You talk about the majority, however banning it in all circumstances would lead to what I am pointing out. What if in unconsented sex situations the woman got to choose?

I certainly would not abort. I would not suggesting aborting. However, I also believe in basic freedoms. I think the Bible is also very direct in how to act around someone with different beliefs than you, even sinners.

Posted by tangplay on 12/10/2017 9:03:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by strikeout26 on 12/10/2017 4:12:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by tangplay on 12/10/2017 3:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 12/10/2017 3:22:00 PM (view original):
And abortion is not an "American Freedom" despite what some perverted judges said. Freedom in America guarantees the right to life.

OK, here is my problem with that ideology. In my mind, making abortion illegal perpetuates the idea that women's only job is to have a kid. If a woman does not have a kid, they are taking away a baby's life, right? So let's force all women to have a baby, and if they don't, then they get put to jail.

Please remind me.... What is a consequence, other than STDs, of having sex? Oh yeah, a baby. If you're old enough to have sex then you're old enough to accept the consequence, no?

Exactly.

My problem with the whole issue is most people no longer take responsibility for their actions involving sex (and many other things) and the government is culpable for encouraging the lack of accountability by saying its OK to abort (or kill off) a baby.

Or it's that a woman a) Got raped, or b) Is a teen that does not want to live in poverty the rest of her life.

ADOPTION!!!

I have been on both sides of the adoption process. You are gonna be in an abusive home 90% of the time if you are a baby.

This is definitely not true. I'm sorry that you had a bad experience with it, but most parents looking to adopt are love parents.

Let me ask, since you were adopted and had a bad experience, would it have been better to abort you or do you feel like you still developed into a productive member of society and get to lead a good life?

(I was never adopted, I was almost adopted and my family has adopted)
I would like to see some stats of that, the burden of proof is on you.

I think it would be up to the parents to abort. I would not care, I would be a baby that doesn't have feelings or thoughts or emotions.

The burden of proof is not on me. You stated that "90%" are abused. Prove it. So, you were never adopted? Did your family mistreat the kids they adopted?

Babies definitely have feelings, thoughts, and emotions. People may not remember their time as a baby, but they definitely have emotions. They cry, smile, and laugh. They know when they're hungry. They know when they're tired.

Parents should not get to decide to take a human life. You keep talking about freedoms. Our Declaration of Independence says that we have the right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." When a child is aborted. All 3 of those are denied. The declaration says nothing about the RIGHT to abort a child.

Posted by tangplay on 12/10/2017 9:05:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by strikeout26 on 12/10/2017 3:22:00 PM (view original):
And abortion is not an "American Freedom" despite what some perverted judges said. Freedom in America guarantees the right to life.

OK, here is my problem with that ideology. In my mind, making abortion illegal perpetuates the idea that women's only job is to have a kid. If a woman does not have a kid, they are taking away a baby's life, right? So let's force all women to have a baby, and if they don't, then they get put to jail.

this has to be the stupidest thing ever written in these forums, congratulations you proven yourself dumber then RC and noone thought that was possible. "making abortion illegal perpetuates the idea that women's only job is to have kids" how demeaning to the major majority of women who planed a life,career and family instead of the minority of women who recklassly live for the day.

I don't actually believe that. I was saying that that perpetuates that idea.

Rape victims are very unfortunate. It doesn't make the kids life any less valuable. As far as the majority of cases, if a woman chooses to have sex and she gets pregnant, yes she should be forced to have that baby. She made a choice. Choices have consequences.

Also, you stated that you are a Christian. As a Christian, you should understand that God values all lives and the Bible is very direct about how God feels about the unborn.

You talk about the majority, however banning it in all circumstances would lead to what I am pointing out. What if in unconsented sex situations the woman got to choose?

I certainly would not abort. I would not suggesting aborting. However, I also believe in basic freedoms. I think the Bible is also very direct in how to act around someone with different beliefs than you, even sinners.

Jesus did say, "those without sin cast the first stone.", but if you read past Matthew 7:1 it talks about how it is good to condone sin.

Matthew 7:1 is probably the most used saying of Jesus to silence critics, but it is never used in its full context.

All sins work the same way. I love the sinner and want them to have a wonderful life, but sin is sin. The Bible is very clear that we should not accept it.

As far as the un consented sex situation, my heart goes out to those women, but I value all human life and still think abortion is wrong. As I've said, I would fully understand if the mother put the baby up for adoption.

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Posted by tangplay on 12/10/2017 3:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 12/10/2017 3:22:00 PM (view original):
And abortion is not an "American Freedom" despite what some perverted judges said. Freedom in America guarantees the right to life.

OK, here is my problem with that ideology. In my mind, making abortion illegal perpetuates the idea that women's only job is to have a kid. If a woman does not have a kid, they are taking away a baby's life, right? So let's force all women to have a baby, and if they don't, then they get put to jail.

Please remind me.... What is a consequence, other than STDs, of having sex? Oh yeah, a baby. If you're old enough to have sex then you're old enough to accept the consequence, no?

Exactly.

My problem with the whole issue is most people no longer take responsibility for their actions involving sex (and many other things) and the government is culpable for encouraging the lack of accountability by saying its OK to abort (or kill off) a baby.

Or it's that a woman a) Got raped, or b) Is a teen that does not want to live in poverty the rest of her life.

ADOPTION!!!

I have been on both sides of the adoption process. You are gonna be in an abusive home 90% of the time if you are a baby.

This is definitely not true. I'm sorry that you had a bad experience with it, but most parents looking to adopt are love parents.

Let me ask, since you were adopted and had a bad experience, would it have been better to abort you or do you feel like you still developed into a productive member of society and get to lead a good life?

(I was never adopted, I was almost adopted and my family has adopted)
I would like to see some stats of that, the burden of proof is on you.

I think it would be up to the parents to abort. I would not care, I would be a baby that doesn't have feelings or thoughts or emotions.

The burden of proof is not on me. You stated that "90%" are abused. Prove it. So, you were never adopted? Did your family mistreat the kids they adopted?

Babies definitely have feelings, thoughts, and emotions. People may not remember their time as a baby, but they definitely have emotions. They cry, smile, and laugh. They know when they're hungry. They know when they're tired.

Parents should not get to decide to take a human life. You keep talking about freedoms. Our Declaration of Independence says that we have the right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." When a child is aborted. All 3 of those are denied. The declaration says nothing about the RIGHT to abort a child.

No fortunately my family is a good one. The 90% number is an exaggeration, my point was that the foster/adoption system sucks.

You are talking about babies, I am talking about FETUSES.

Again, I don't think first trimester abortion is taking a human life, and I don't think that fetuses have constitutional rights, or at least that a grown woman has the rights over the fetus.

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Posted by tangplay on 12/10/2017 3:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 12/10/2017 3:22:00 PM (view original):
And abortion is not an "American Freedom" despite what some perverted judges said. Freedom in America guarantees the right to life.

OK, here is my problem with that ideology. In my mind, making abortion illegal perpetuates the idea that women's only job is to have a kid. If a woman does not have a kid, they are taking away a baby's life, right? So let's force all women to have a baby, and if they don't, then they get put to jail.

this has to be the stupidest thing ever written in these forums, congratulations you proven yourself dumber then RC and noone thought that was possible. "making abortion illegal perpetuates the idea that women's only job is to have kids" how demeaning to the major majority of women who planed a life,career and family instead of the minority of women who recklassly live for the day.

I don't actually believe that. I was saying that that perpetuates that idea.

Rape victims are very unfortunate. It doesn't make the kids life any less valuable. As far as the majority of cases, if a woman chooses to have sex and she gets pregnant, yes she should be forced to have that baby. She made a choice. Choices have consequences.

Also, you stated that you are a Christian. As a Christian, you should understand that God values all lives and the Bible is very direct about how God feels about the unborn.

You talk about the majority, however banning it in all circumstances would lead to what I am pointing out. What if in unconsented sex situations the woman got to choose?

I certainly would not abort. I would not suggesting aborting. However, I also believe in basic freedoms. I think the Bible is also very direct in how to act around someone with different beliefs than you, even sinners.

Jesus did say, "those without sin cast the first stone.", but if you read past Matthew 7:1 it talks about how it is good to condone sin.

Matthew 7:1 is probably the most used saying of Jesus to silence critics, but it is never used in its full context.

All sins work the same way. I love the sinner and want them to have a wonderful life, but sin is sin. The Bible is very clear that we should not accept it.

Of course we should not accept it. In no way am I saying, 'Just let people abort.' If you feel strongly about that, be involved. Talk to people considering abortion, etc. You certainly do not have to go to either extreme. Again, in no way do I think abortion is necessarily moral, but I do think that people should have the right to do it.

Let me ask you, when does a baby become a life?

By the way, it has nothing to do with rights. Abortion is not a right. Sadly, it is legal but it is not a right. Life is a right.

Posted by strikeout26 on 12/10/2017 9:38:00 PM (view original):
As far as the un consented sex situation, my heart goes out to those women, but I value all human life and still think abortion is wrong. As I've said, I would fully understand if the mother put the baby up for adoption.

It's just not that simple. Adoption is a complicated, stressful process that not all people can persevere through, and even so, again, there is a chance the baby would end up in an abusive home. In my case our family had to adopt a kid we did not want to adopt but the only other option for the kid was being in abusive homes. Some kids just don't have that option. It sucks, but it is the reality.

So, you're saying it's better to just kill that person like euthanizing a stray dog than to risk that it ends up in bad Home?

Posted by tangplay on 12/10/2017 10:24:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by strikeout26 on 12/10/2017 3:22:00 PM (view original):
And abortion is not an "American Freedom" despite what some perverted judges said. Freedom in America guarantees the right to life.

OK, here is my problem with that ideology. In my mind, making abortion illegal perpetuates the idea that women's only job is to have a kid. If a woman does not have a kid, they are taking away a baby's life, right? So let's force all women to have a baby, and if they don't, then they get put to jail.

this has to be the stupidest thing ever written in these forums, congratulations you proven yourself dumber then RC and noone thought that was possible. "making abortion illegal perpetuates the idea that women's only job is to have kids" how demeaning to the major majority of women who planed a life,career and family instead of the minority of women who recklassly live for the day.

I don't actually believe that. I was saying that that perpetuates that idea.

Rape victims are very unfortunate. It doesn't make the kids life any less valuable. As far as the majority of cases, if a woman chooses to have sex and she gets pregnant, yes she should be forced to have that baby. She made a choice. Choices have consequences.

Also, you stated that you are a Christian. As a Christian, you should understand that God values all lives and the Bible is very direct about how God feels about the unborn.

You talk about the majority, however banning it in all circumstances would lead to what I am pointing out. What if in unconsented sex situations the woman got to choose?

I certainly would not abort. I would not suggesting aborting. However, I also believe in basic freedoms. I think the Bible is also very direct in how to act around someone with different beliefs than you, even sinners.

Jesus did say, "those without sin cast the first stone.", but if you read past Matthew 7:1 it talks about how it is good to condone sin.

Matthew 7:1 is probably the most used saying of Jesus to silence critics, but it is never used in its full context.

All sins work the same way. I love the sinner and want them to have a wonderful life, but sin is sin. The Bible is very clear that we should not accept it.

Of course we should not accept it. In no way am I saying, 'Just let people abort.' If you feel strongly about that, be involved. Talk to people considering abortion, etc. You certainly do not have to go to either extreme. Again, in no way do I think abortion is necessarily moral, but I do think that people should have the right to do it.

I will go to an extreme. I am passionate about the issue. There is no middle ground for me. God doesn't make mistakes. That baby is not a mistake that should be discarded regardless of how it was conceived. Why should people be allowed to kill unborn babies?

charles manson, not a mistake

ted bundy, not a mistake

kooky

Posted by strikeout26 on 12/10/2017 10:35:00 PM (view original):
So, you're saying it's better to just kill that person like euthanizing a stray dog than to risk that it ends up in bad Home?

There is a difference. No financial boon to owning a stray dog and stray dogs have more emotions than fetuses