Posted by bad_luck on 12/3/2014 5:57:00 PM (view original):
From Tim Wise:

(read the whole thing, it's very good)

The constant drumbeat of negativity is so normalized by now that it forms the backdrop of every conversation about black people held in white spaces when black folks themselves are not around. It is like the way your knee jumps when the doctor taps it with that little hammer thing during a check-up: a reflex by now instinctual, automatic, unthinking.

And still we pretend that one can think these things—that vast numbers of us can—and yet be capable of treating black folks fairly in the workforce, housing market, schools or in the streets; that we can, on the one hand, view the larger black community as a chaotic maelstrom of iniquity, while still managing, on the other, to treat black loan applicants, job applicants, students or random strangers as mere individuals. That we can somehow thread the needle between our grand aspirations to equanimity as Americans and our deeply internalized biases regarding broad swaths of our nation’s people.

A selection of other articles by Tim Wise:

14 Bad Things I Did as a White Kid That Would Have Turned Out Differently If I Were Black

Sounds like maybe Tim Wise's "thing" is to be the white man who bashes whitey?

Doesn't sound like his opinion is very objective.

He does.

http://www.timwise.org/

Yet even he acknowledges that Brown robbed the store.

Posted by bad_luck on 12/3/2014 4:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 12/3/2014 3:17:00 PM (view original):
Your info is from rando blog. OK.

Regardless, why would you call police when you're watching someone in the store call police? Seems redundant.

How long is the full length video? Was I watching something else? I never saw money. I do see Brown take cigars from behind the counter, the clerk being very upset about it, and then get assaulted.

The blog linked back to this fox news story. The store issued a statement that it didn't call the police. There is video of the store's attorney saying so.

http://fox2now.com/2014/08/15/store-owners-talk-about-surveillance-released/

The full surveillance video is about 1:40. I think it's the first YouTube result. Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkOfqIXkBRE

You see Brown hand his friend a box of cigars. Then there is what looks like a dispute. They drop several packs. At the 1:05 mark you see them put the box and several packs back on the counter. If they are robbing the store, why put some back? That doesn't look like a robbery to me, that looks like a dispute.

This is only relevant to the, "clearly Brown is a criminal, it's not surprising that he would attack a cop unprovoked," point that allows us to ignore the massive inconsistencies and question marks in Wilson's side of the story.

I Was No Angel Either: Crime, Deviance and White Privilege in America

He was no angel.

That’s the refrain, repeated for over two months on social media by defenders of Officer Darren Wilson, convinced that Michael Brown was little more than a violent and dangerous thug, worthy of death that August day in Ferguson.

From the beginning, Brown’s strong-arm theft of cigars from a local market was used by Wilson’s supporters as justification for whatever happened to him.

Posted by burnsy483 on 12/3/2014 3:40:00 PM (view original):
Now, I am somewhat surprised that Pantaleo isn't charged in the Garner death. 

Posted by burnsy483 on 12/4/2014 9:47:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/3/2014 4:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 12/3/2014 3:17:00 PM (view original):
Your info is from rando blog. OK.

Regardless, why would you call police when you're watching someone in the store call police? Seems redundant.

How long is the full length video? Was I watching something else? I never saw money. I do see Brown take cigars from behind the counter, the clerk being very upset about it, and then get assaulted.

The blog linked back to this fox news story. The store issued a statement that it didn't call the police. There is video of the store's attorney saying so.

http://fox2now.com/2014/08/15/store-owners-talk-about-surveillance-released/

The full surveillance video is about 1:40. I think it's the first YouTube result. Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkOfqIXkBRE

You see Brown hand his friend a box of cigars. Then there is what looks like a dispute. They drop several packs. At the 1:05 mark you see them put the box and several packs back on the counter. If they are robbing the store, why put some back? That doesn't look like a robbery to me, that looks like a dispute.

This is only relevant to the, "clearly Brown is a criminal, it's not surprising that he would attack a cop unprovoked," point that allows us to ignore the massive inconsistencies and question marks in Wilson's side of the story.

You said he paid for the cigars, despite there being 1) no cash seen in the video, 2) witness accounts of a robbery, and 3) an altercation with the store owner where he's trying to stop Brown from leaving. It was a dumb statement; it's very likely he stole the cigars. If he didn't steal the cigars, give me some reasonable explanations for what you saw.

In the same way you're upset that we're talking about Michael Brown as a criminal (he is, he assaulted a store owner and struck a police officer), it can be spun the other way, that despite fairly obvious evidence, it's upsetting that you want to defend Michael Brown's character.  Had there been no altercation after the store incident, any normal human being would look at what happened at the store thinking "that's pretty ****** up of him."

Posted by bad_luck on 12/4/2014 10:23:00 AM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 12/4/2014 9:47:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/3/2014 4:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 12/3/2014 3:17:00 PM (view original):
Your info is from rando blog. OK.

Regardless, why would you call police when you're watching someone in the store call police? Seems redundant.

How long is the full length video? Was I watching something else? I never saw money. I do see Brown take cigars from behind the counter, the clerk being very upset about it, and then get assaulted.

The blog linked back to this fox news story. The store issued a statement that it didn't call the police. There is video of the store's attorney saying so.

http://fox2now.com/2014/08/15/store-owners-talk-about-surveillance-released/

The full surveillance video is about 1:40. I think it's the first YouTube result. Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkOfqIXkBRE

You see Brown hand his friend a box of cigars. Then there is what looks like a dispute. They drop several packs. At the 1:05 mark you see them put the box and several packs back on the counter. If they are robbing the store, why put some back? That doesn't look like a robbery to me, that looks like a dispute.

This is only relevant to the, "clearly Brown is a criminal, it's not surprising that he would attack a cop unprovoked," point that allows us to ignore the massive inconsistencies and question marks in Wilson's side of the story.

You said he paid for the cigars, despite there being 1) no cash seen in the video, 2) witness accounts of a robbery, and 3) an altercation with the store owner where he's trying to stop Brown from leaving. It was a dumb statement; it's very likely he stole the cigars. If he didn't steal the cigars, give me some reasonable explanations for what you saw.

In the same way you're upset that we're talking about Michael Brown as a criminal (he is, he assaulted a store owner and struck a police officer), it can be spun the other way, that despite fairly obvious evidence, it's upsetting that you want to defend Michael Brown's character.  Had there been no altercation after the store incident, any normal human being would look at what happened at the store thinking "that's pretty ****** up of him."

I'm not defending his character. I'm saying what happened at the store is somewhat vague.

Posted by bad_luck on 12/4/2014 10:21:00 AM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 12/3/2014 3:40:00 PM (view original):
Now, I am somewhat surprised that Pantaleo isn't charged in the Garner death. 

This was both shocking and completely unsurprising. Fuckin cops.

Posted by burnsy483 on 12/4/2014 10:27:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/4/2014 10:21:00 AM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 12/3/2014 3:40:00 PM (view original):
Now, I am somewhat surprised that Pantaleo isn't charged in the Garner death. 

This was both shocking and completely unsurprising. Fuckin cops.

The part that actually bothers me the most, that nobody is talking about, is the 7 minutes he was unresponsive on the ground before anyone decided that CPR was a good idea.

Posted by bad_luck on 12/4/2014 10:28:00 AM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 12/4/2014 10:27:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/4/2014 10:21:00 AM (view original):

Posted by burnsy483 on 12/3/2014 3:40:00 PM (view original):
Now, I am somewhat surprised that Pantaleo isn't charged in the Garner death. 

This was both shocking and completely unsurprising. Fuckin cops.

The part that actually bothers me the most, that nobody is talking about, is the 7 minutes he was unresponsive on the ground before anyone decided that CPR was a good idea.

The ME called it a homocide. It's unexcusable. That cop should be in prison.