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Posted by bad_luck on 11/25/2017 10:18:00 AM (view original):
Both sides of the Net Neutrality debate involve "freedom".

Pro Neutrality: Freedom for content to come from anyone, anywhere, anytime at max speed.

Anti Neutrality: Freedom for ISPs to charge airline-style fees, censor content, and selectively throttle speed by website.

Oh the drama!!!! AIRLINE STYLE FEES!!?!? OH MY!!!

ISPs are providing a service. They can charge whatever and whoever they want. If you don't like it then find another ISP to use.

It's just like newspapers.... Which used to be a primary way to communicate via classifieds, advertising, and articles. Newspapers have the right to select which ads go in, charge for classifieds, and write whatever articles they want. They are the one providing the service. It's not free to everyone.

It’s like newspapers...if one newspaper could block other newspapers from having any subscribers.

No it's not. ISPs (the newspaper in this analogy) can only block the content from THEIR internet offering. They can't block other ISPs (newspapers) from offering anything. How would Comcast block subscribers from signing up with AT&T for internet service?

Think of it this way.... You're building a mobile app... Apple is too pricey so you only place it in the Google Play store - you've been out priced in this scenario so you found an alternative. Or maybe Apple blocks you for whatever reason but Google says sure. You put your app on Google and it becomes a hit... Now people aren't buying apple phones because they don't have access to your hit app. Apple will eventually allow you to put your app on their phones now. This has happened, and still happens. Apple can control whatever content they want. They're very good at it... And it's their product/service. They should control it. ISPs are providing a product/service and they should control that too.

Yeah your newspaper analogy doesn’t really work.

ISPs provide access.

A better analogy would be if the government granted a company the power to control the roads so that only certain newspapers could be delivered.

That access costs money (infrastructure, employees, research, etc.) ISPs have the right to charge for that access to pay for those things and make a profit.

Again, your analogy is way off base. The ISPs in your analogy would be the government now and not the newspapers. The newspapers would become the content. There's more than one ISP so there'd have to be more than one government in your analogy, which seems unlikely.

Do you have more than one option for high speed internet at your house?

Not DSL, actual high speed cable internet options from more than one cable company.

Posted by bad_luck on 11/25/2017 12:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 11/25/2017 11:54:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by moy23 on 11/25/2017 10:38:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 11/25/2017 10:18:00 AM (view original):
Both sides of the Net Neutrality debate involve "freedom".

Pro Neutrality: Freedom for content to come from anyone, anywhere, anytime at max speed.

Anti Neutrality: Freedom for ISPs to charge airline-style fees, censor content, and selectively throttle speed by website.

Oh the drama!!!! AIRLINE STYLE FEES!!?!? OH MY!!!

ISPs are providing a service. They can charge whatever and whoever they want. If you don't like it then find another ISP to use.

It's just like newspapers.... Which used to be a primary way to communicate via classifieds, advertising, and articles. Newspapers have the right to select which ads go in, charge for classifieds, and write whatever articles they want. They are the one providing the service. It's not free to everyone.

It’s like newspapers...if one newspaper could block other newspapers from having any subscribers.

No it's not. ISPs (the newspaper in this analogy) can only block the content from THEIR internet offering. They can't block other ISPs (newspapers) from offering anything. How would Comcast block subscribers from signing up with AT&T for internet service?

Think of it this way.... You're building a mobile app... Apple is too pricey so you only place it in the Google Play store - you've been out priced in this scenario so you found an alternative. Or maybe Apple blocks you for whatever reason but Google says sure. You put your app on Google and it becomes a hit... Now people aren't buying apple phones because they don't have access to your hit app. Apple will eventually allow you to put your app on their phones now. This has happened, and still happens. Apple can control whatever content they want. They're very good at it... And it's their product/service. They should control it. ISPs are providing a product/service and they should control that too.

Yeah your newspaper analogy doesn’t really work.

ISPs provide access.

A better analogy would be if the government granted a company the power to control the roads so that only certain newspapers could be delivered.

That access costs money (infrastructure, employees, research, etc.) ISPs have the right to charge for that access to pay for those things and make a profit.

Again, your analogy is way off base. The ISPs in your analogy would be the government now and not the newspapers. The newspapers would become the content. There's more than one ISP so there'd have to be more than one government in your analogy, which seems unlikely.

Do you have more than one option for high speed internet at your house?

Not DSL, actual high speed cable internet options from more than one cable company.

Yes. I just did a search. There's 6 of them of which 4 can get me speeds in excess of 50 Mbps. I currently have 150 Mbps.


Xfinity, AT&T, RCN, and accessmedia3

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Posted by moy23 on 11/25/2017 10:38:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 11/25/2017 10:18:00 AM (view original):
Both sides of the Net Neutrality debate involve "freedom".

Pro Neutrality: Freedom for content to come from anyone, anywhere, anytime at max speed.

Anti Neutrality: Freedom for ISPs to charge airline-style fees, censor content, and selectively throttle speed by website.

Oh the drama!!!! AIRLINE STYLE FEES!!?!? OH MY!!!

ISPs are providing a service. They can charge whatever and whoever they want. If you don't like it then find another ISP to use.

It's just like newspapers.... Which used to be a primary way to communicate via classifieds, advertising, and articles. Newspapers have the right to select which ads go in, charge for classifieds, and write whatever articles they want. They are the one providing the service. It's not free to everyone.

It’s like newspapers...if one newspaper could block other newspapers from having any subscribers.

No it's not. ISPs (the newspaper in this analogy) can only block the content from THEIR internet offering. They can't block other ISPs (newspapers) from offering anything. How would Comcast block subscribers from signing up with AT&T for internet service?

Think of it this way.... You're building a mobile app... Apple is too pricey so you only place it in the Google Play store - you've been out priced in this scenario so you found an alternative. Or maybe Apple blocks you for whatever reason but Google says sure. You put your app on Google and it becomes a hit... Now people aren't buying apple phones because they don't have access to your hit app. Apple will eventually allow you to put your app on their phones now. This has happened, and still happens. Apple can control whatever content they want. They're very good at it... And it's their product/service. They should control it. ISPs are providing a product/service and they should control that too.

Yeah your newspaper analogy doesn’t really work.

ISPs provide access.

A better analogy would be if the government granted a company the power to control the roads so that only certain newspapers could be delivered.

That access costs money (infrastructure, employees, research, etc.) ISPs have the right to charge for that access to pay for those things and make a profit.

Again, your analogy is way off base. The ISPs in your analogy would be the government now and not the newspapers. The newspapers would become the content. There's more than one ISP so there'd have to be more than one government in your analogy, which seems unlikely.

Do you have more than one option for high speed internet at your house?

Not DSL, actual high speed cable internet options from more than one cable company.

Yes. I just did a search. There's 6 of them of which 4 can get me speeds in excess of 50 Mbps. I currently have 150 Mbps.


Xfinity, AT&T, RCN, and accessmedia3

Really? That’s unusual. AT&T in SoCal runs ~10 mbps.

I have one 30 mbps+ option: the cable company. There’s another large cable company that services the my city, but the two cable companies split up the zip codes so that they don’t compete with each other.

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Moy - Explain why pulling back net neutrality and raising the military budget is a good thing please.

Opens the internet up to free market forces and I can afford a 'fast lane'. There will be more structural innovation (i.e, faster WiFi, Fiber, etc) with ISPs in control and with less regulation. The rest of the internet will be just fine without net neutrality.

And a big military is how we show strength as a nation... Unlike that kumbaya, we lead from behind, oblunder bullshit.

It's that strength that buys us our daily freedoms that other countries don't have and it gets us a better seat at the bargaining table when we need it.

I would assume that pulling back net neutrality CLOSES UP the free market, because big companies can structurally block smaller ones. Net neutrality is what is great about the internet! Pulling it back removes the essence of what makes the internet unique.

We DO have a big military, and we do have a lot of strength! I am not complaining that we more than double China's military spending. But isn't it a BIT much when we spend more than the next 10 countries combined? And most of that goes to failed or failing uber-expensive projects that are realistically never actually going to be used. I HATE how much we spend on murder.

There are still laws (not net neutrality laws) that apply to ISPs that protect smaller companies. For instance there are laws regarding collusion, discrimination, etc. The internet was great well before net neutrality. The HUGE gains for removing net neutrality regulations are to the free market competitiveness that will take place for the infrastructure of the internet.... How and how fast it can be delivered, not what's delivered.

I'm all for spending defense money more wisely but if the government pays for anything this is the #1 most important thing to pay for. It's our military that allows us the freedoms we enjoy in this country and like I said earlier it also gets us the best seat at the bargaining table on world issues.

As far as paying more than the next 10 countries combined.... The same could be said about our healthcare spending yet I don't hear you clamoring about that. At least the defense spending is doing it's job, keeping us safe. The same can't be said about healthcare which has only gotten worse. We're ranked #1 in the world for military, #37 for healthcare.

Yeah, but pulling back net neutrality seems like it would give companies easy ways to make monopolies, yes?

Again, I am not complaining that we spend a TON on military. But seriously, raising it? Wouldn't that just enable Congress to splurge on useless stuff because we have so much money to throw away?

I would much rather spend more on healthcare than military. I would rather my country be known as the country that has the highest standard of living in the world over the country with the most fighter planes or something. I am all for spending more WISELY on healthcare. I don't see the relevance of bringing up healthcare in this debate though.

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Posted by tangplay on 11/24/2017 6:06:00 PM (view original):
Moy - Explain why pulling back net neutrality and raising the military budget is a good thing please.

Opens the internet up to free market forces and I can afford a 'fast lane'. There will be more structural innovation (i.e, faster WiFi, Fiber, etc) with ISPs in control and with less regulation. The rest of the internet will be just fine without net neutrality.

And a big military is how we show strength as a nation... Unlike that kumbaya, we lead from behind, oblunder bullshit.

It's that strength that buys us our daily freedoms that other countries don't have and it gets us a better seat at the bargaining table when we need it.

I would assume that pulling back net neutrality CLOSES UP the free market, because big companies can structurally block smaller ones. Net neutrality is what is great about the internet! Pulling it back removes the essence of what makes the internet unique.

We DO have a big military, and we do have a lot of strength! I am not complaining that we more than double China's military spending. But isn't it a BIT much when we spend more than the next 10 countries combined? And most of that goes to failed or failing uber-expensive projects that are realistically never actually going to be used. I HATE how much we spend on murder.

There are still laws (not net neutrality laws) that apply to ISPs that protect smaller companies. For instance there are laws regarding collusion, discrimination, etc. The internet was great well before net neutrality. The HUGE gains for removing net neutrality regulations are to the free market competitiveness that will take place for the infrastructure of the internet.... How and how fast it can be delivered, not what's delivered.

I'm all for spending defense money more wisely but if the government pays for anything this is the #1 most important thing to pay for. It's our military that allows us the freedoms we enjoy in this country and like I said earlier it also gets us the best seat at the bargaining table on world issues.

As far as paying more than the next 10 countries combined.... The same could be said about our healthcare spending yet I don't hear you clamoring about that. At least the defense spending is doing it's job, keeping us safe. The same can't be said about healthcare which has only gotten worse. We're ranked #1 in the world for military, #37 for healthcare.

Yeah, but pulling back net neutrality seems like it would give companies easy ways to make monopolies, yes?

Again, I am not complaining that we spend a TON on military. But seriously, raising it? Wouldn't that just enable Congress to splurge on useless stuff because we have so much money to throw away?

I would much rather spend more on healthcare than military. I would rather my country be known as the country that has the highest standard of living in the world over the country with the most fighter planes or something. I am all for spending more WISELY on healthcare. I don't see the relevance of bringing up healthcare in this debate though.

We are known as the country with the highest standard of living in the world.

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Posted by tangplay on 11/24/2017 6:06:00 PM (view original):
Moy - Explain why pulling back net neutrality and raising the military budget is a good thing please.

Opens the internet up to free market forces and I can afford a 'fast lane'. There will be more structural innovation (i.e, faster WiFi, Fiber, etc) with ISPs in control and with less regulation. The rest of the internet will be just fine without net neutrality.

And a big military is how we show strength as a nation... Unlike that kumbaya, we lead from behind, oblunder bullshit.

It's that strength that buys us our daily freedoms that other countries don't have and it gets us a better seat at the bargaining table when we need it.

I would assume that pulling back net neutrality CLOSES UP the free market, because big companies can structurally block smaller ones. Net neutrality is what is great about the internet! Pulling it back removes the essence of what makes the internet unique.

We DO have a big military, and we do have a lot of strength! I am not complaining that we more than double China's military spending. But isn't it a BIT much when we spend more than the next 10 countries combined? And most of that goes to failed or failing uber-expensive projects that are realistically never actually going to be used. I HATE how much we spend on murder.

There are still laws (not net neutrality laws) that apply to ISPs that protect smaller companies. For instance there are laws regarding collusion, discrimination, etc. The internet was great well before net neutrality. The HUGE gains for removing net neutrality regulations are to the free market competitiveness that will take place for the infrastructure of the internet.... How and how fast it can be delivered, not what's delivered.

I'm all for spending defense money more wisely but if the government pays for anything this is the #1 most important thing to pay for. It's our military that allows us the freedoms we enjoy in this country and like I said earlier it also gets us the best seat at the bargaining table on world issues.

As far as paying more than the next 10 countries combined.... The same could be said about our healthcare spending yet I don't hear you clamoring about that. At least the defense spending is doing it's job, keeping us safe. The same can't be said about healthcare which has only gotten worse. We're ranked #1 in the world for military, #37 for healthcare.

Yeah, but pulling back net neutrality seems like it would give companies easy ways to make monopolies, yes?

Again, I am not complaining that we spend a TON on military. But seriously, raising it? Wouldn't that just enable Congress to splurge on useless stuff because we have so much money to throw away?

I would much rather spend more on healthcare than military. I would rather my country be known as the country that has the highest standard of living in the world over the country with the most fighter planes or something. I am all for spending more WISELY on healthcare. I don't see the relevance of bringing up healthcare in this debate though.

We are known as the country with the highest standard of living in the world.

Finland?

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Posted by tangplay on 11/24/2017 6:06:00 PM (view original):
Moy - Explain why pulling back net neutrality and raising the military budget is a good thing please.

Opens the internet up to free market forces and I can afford a 'fast lane'. There will be more structural innovation (i.e, faster WiFi, Fiber, etc) with ISPs in control and with less regulation. The rest of the internet will be just fine without net neutrality.

And a big military is how we show strength as a nation... Unlike that kumbaya, we lead from behind, oblunder bullshit.

It's that strength that buys us our daily freedoms that other countries don't have and it gets us a better seat at the bargaining table when we need it.

I would assume that pulling back net neutrality CLOSES UP the free market, because big companies can structurally block smaller ones. Net neutrality is what is great about the internet! Pulling it back removes the essence of what makes the internet unique.

We DO have a big military, and we do have a lot of strength! I am not complaining that we more than double China's military spending. But isn't it a BIT much when we spend more than the next 10 countries combined? And most of that goes to failed or failing uber-expensive projects that are realistically never actually going to be used. I HATE how much we spend on murder.

There are still laws (not net neutrality laws) that apply to ISPs that protect smaller companies. For instance there are laws regarding collusion, discrimination, etc. The internet was great well before net neutrality. The HUGE gains for removing net neutrality regulations are to the free market competitiveness that will take place for the infrastructure of the internet.... How and how fast it can be delivered, not what's delivered.

I'm all for spending defense money more wisely but if the government pays for anything this is the #1 most important thing to pay for. It's our military that allows us the freedoms we enjoy in this country and like I said earlier it also gets us the best seat at the bargaining table on world issues.

As far as paying more than the next 10 countries combined.... The same could be said about our healthcare spending yet I don't hear you clamoring about that. At least the defense spending is doing it's job, keeping us safe. The same can't be said about healthcare which has only gotten worse. We're ranked #1 in the world for military, #37 for healthcare.

Yeah, but pulling back net neutrality seems like it would give companies easy ways to make monopolies, yes?

Again, I am not complaining that we spend a TON on military. But seriously, raising it? Wouldn't that just enable Congress to splurge on useless stuff because we have so much money to throw away?

I would much rather spend more on healthcare than military. I would rather my country be known as the country that has the highest standard of living in the world over the country with the most fighter planes or something. I am all for spending more WISELY on healthcare. I don't see the relevance of bringing up healthcare in this debate though.

We are known as the country with the highest standard of living in the world.

Finland?

Youth Unemployment Rate in Finland decreased to 20.40 percent in October from 20.50 percent in September of 2017. Youth Unemployment Rate in Finland averaged 20.95 percent from 1988 until 2017, reaching an all time high of 35.70 percent in February of 1994 and a record low of 8.30 percent in September of 1989.




****I'd rather have opportunity over standard of living. American is known as the land of opportunity.

A million dollar loan at age 18 and a $200 million inheritance sure does help!

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Posted by tangplay on 11/24/2017 6:06:00 PM (view original):
Moy - Explain why pulling back net neutrality and raising the military budget is a good thing please.

Opens the internet up to free market forces and I can afford a 'fast lane'. There will be more structural innovation (i.e, faster WiFi, Fiber, etc) with ISPs in control and with less regulation. The rest of the internet will be just fine without net neutrality.

And a big military is how we show strength as a nation... Unlike that kumbaya, we lead from behind, oblunder bullshit.

It's that strength that buys us our daily freedoms that other countries don't have and it gets us a better seat at the bargaining table when we need it.

I would assume that pulling back net neutrality CLOSES UP the free market, because big companies can structurally block smaller ones. Net neutrality is what is great about the internet! Pulling it back removes the essence of what makes the internet unique.

We DO have a big military, and we do have a lot of strength! I am not complaining that we more than double China's military spending. But isn't it a BIT much when we spend more than the next 10 countries combined? And most of that goes to failed or failing uber-expensive projects that are realistically never actually going to be used. I HATE how much we spend on murder.

There are still laws (not net neutrality laws) that apply to ISPs that protect smaller companies. For instance there are laws regarding collusion, discrimination, etc. The internet was great well before net neutrality. The HUGE gains for removing net neutrality regulations are to the free market competitiveness that will take place for the infrastructure of the internet.... How and how fast it can be delivered, not what's delivered.

I'm all for spending defense money more wisely but if the government pays for anything this is the #1 most important thing to pay for. It's our military that allows us the freedoms we enjoy in this country and like I said earlier it also gets us the best seat at the bargaining table on world issues.

As far as paying more than the next 10 countries combined.... The same could be said about our healthcare spending yet I don't hear you clamoring about that. At least the defense spending is doing it's job, keeping us safe. The same can't be said about healthcare which has only gotten worse. We're ranked #1 in the world for military, #37 for healthcare.

Yeah, but pulling back net neutrality seems like it would give companies easy ways to make monopolies, yes?

Again, I am not complaining that we spend a TON on military. But seriously, raising it? Wouldn't that just enable Congress to splurge on useless stuff because we have so much money to throw away?

I would much rather spend more on healthcare than military. I would rather my country be known as the country that has the highest standard of living in the world over the country with the most fighter planes or something. I am all for spending more WISELY on healthcare. I don't see the relevance of bringing up healthcare in this debate though.

We are known as the country with the highest standard of living in the world.

Finland?

Youth Unemployment Rate in Finland decreased to 20.40 percent in October from 20.50 percent in September of 2017. Youth Unemployment Rate in Finland averaged 20.95 percent from 1988 until 2017, reaching an all time high of 35.70 percent in February of 1994 and a record low of 8.30 percent in September of 1989.




****I'd rather have opportunity over standard of living. American is known as the land of opportunity.

Most certainly. That's what makes America the greatest country. There is room for anyone at the top.

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Posted by moy23 on 11/24/2017 6:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 11/24/2017 6:06:00 PM (view original):
Moy - Explain why pulling back net neutrality and raising the military budget is a good thing please.

Opens the internet up to free market forces and I can afford a 'fast lane'. There will be more structural innovation (i.e, faster WiFi, Fiber, etc) with ISPs in control and with less regulation. The rest of the internet will be just fine without net neutrality.

And a big military is how we show strength as a nation... Unlike that kumbaya, we lead from behind, oblunder bullshit.

It's that strength that buys us our daily freedoms that other countries don't have and it gets us a better seat at the bargaining table when we need it.

I would assume that pulling back net neutrality CLOSES UP the free market, because big companies can structurally block smaller ones. Net neutrality is what is great about the internet! Pulling it back removes the essence of what makes the internet unique.

We DO have a big military, and we do have a lot of strength! I am not complaining that we more than double China's military spending. But isn't it a BIT much when we spend more than the next 10 countries combined? And most of that goes to failed or failing uber-expensive projects that are realistically never actually going to be used. I HATE how much we spend on murder.

There are still laws (not net neutrality laws) that apply to ISPs that protect smaller companies. For instance there are laws regarding collusion, discrimination, etc. The internet was great well before net neutrality. The HUGE gains for removing net neutrality regulations are to the free market competitiveness that will take place for the infrastructure of the internet.... How and how fast it can be delivered, not what's delivered.

I'm all for spending defense money more wisely but if the government pays for anything this is the #1 most important thing to pay for. It's our military that allows us the freedoms we enjoy in this country and like I said earlier it also gets us the best seat at the bargaining table on world issues.

As far as paying more than the next 10 countries combined.... The same could be said about our healthcare spending yet I don't hear you clamoring about that. At least the defense spending is doing it's job, keeping us safe. The same can't be said about healthcare which has only gotten worse. We're ranked #1 in the world for military, #37 for healthcare.

Yeah, but pulling back net neutrality seems like it would give companies easy ways to make monopolies, yes?

Again, I am not complaining that we spend a TON on military. But seriously, raising it? Wouldn't that just enable Congress to splurge on useless stuff because we have so much money to throw away?

I would much rather spend more on healthcare than military. I would rather my country be known as the country that has the highest standard of living in the world over the country with the most fighter planes or something. I am all for spending more WISELY on healthcare. I don't see the relevance of bringing up healthcare in this debate though.

We are known as the country with the highest standard of living in the world.

Finland?

Youth Unemployment Rate in Finland decreased to 20.40 percent in October from 20.50 percent in September of 2017. Youth Unemployment Rate in Finland averaged 20.95 percent from 1988 until 2017, reaching an all time high of 35.70 percent in February of 1994 and a record low of 8.30 percent in September of 1989.




****I'd rather have opportunity over standard of living. American is known as the land of opportunity.

Thanks, Obama!

I don't think a bunch of minimum wage jobs and more regulation, which hampered small business, gave us more opportunity. Thanks Obama for hurting America!

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Posted by tangplay on 11/24/2017 6:06:00 PM (view original):
Moy - Explain why pulling back net neutrality and raising the military budget is a good thing please.

Opens the internet up to free market forces and I can afford a 'fast lane'. There will be more structural innovation (i.e, faster WiFi, Fiber, etc) with ISPs in control and with less regulation. The rest of the internet will be just fine without net neutrality.

And a big military is how we show strength as a nation... Unlike that kumbaya, we lead from behind, oblunder bullshit.

It's that strength that buys us our daily freedoms that other countries don't have and it gets us a better seat at the bargaining table when we need it.

I would assume that pulling back net neutrality CLOSES UP the free market, because big companies can structurally block smaller ones. Net neutrality is what is great about the internet! Pulling it back removes the essence of what makes the internet unique.

We DO have a big military, and we do have a lot of strength! I am not complaining that we more than double China's military spending. But isn't it a BIT much when we spend more than the next 10 countries combined? And most of that goes to failed or failing uber-expensive projects that are realistically never actually going to be used. I HATE how much we spend on murder.

There are still laws (not net neutrality laws) that apply to ISPs that protect smaller companies. For instance there are laws regarding collusion, discrimination, etc. The internet was great well before net neutrality. The HUGE gains for removing net neutrality regulations are to the free market competitiveness that will take place for the infrastructure of the internet.... How and how fast it can be delivered, not what's delivered.

I'm all for spending defense money more wisely but if the government pays for anything this is the #1 most important thing to pay for. It's our military that allows us the freedoms we enjoy in this country and like I said earlier it also gets us the best seat at the bargaining table on world issues.

As far as paying more than the next 10 countries combined.... The same could be said about our healthcare spending yet I don't hear you clamoring about that. At least the defense spending is doing it's job, keeping us safe. The same can't be said about healthcare which has only gotten worse. We're ranked #1 in the world for military, #37 for healthcare.

Yeah, but pulling back net neutrality seems like it would give companies easy ways to make monopolies, yes?

Again, I am not complaining that we spend a TON on military. But seriously, raising it? Wouldn't that just enable Congress to splurge on useless stuff because we have so much money to throw away?

I would much rather spend more on healthcare than military. I would rather my country be known as the country that has the highest standard of living in the world over the country with the most fighter planes or something. I am all for spending more WISELY on healthcare. I don't see the relevance of bringing up healthcare in this debate though.

We are known as the country with the highest standard of living in the world.

Finland?

Youth Unemployment Rate in Finland decreased to 20.40 percent in October from 20.50 percent in September of 2017. Youth Unemployment Rate in Finland averaged 20.95 percent from 1988 until 2017, reaching an all time high of 35.70 percent in February of 1994 and a record low of 8.30 percent in September of 1989.




****I'd rather have opportunity over standard of living. American is known as the land of opportunity.

Thanks, Obama!

It's capitalism and free markets... Combined with individual rights and freedoms that make this the land of opportunity. That's much bigger than any president, even those like Obama who prefer this country be more like socialist France.




Youth Unemployment Rate in France decreased to 22.50 percent in September from 22.70 percent in August of 2017. Youth Unemployment Rate in France averaged 20.18 percent from 1983 until 2017, reaching an all time high of 25.70 percent in December of 2012 and a record low of 14.50 percent in February of 1983.