Trump: Worst President Ever? Topic

Posted by strikeout26 on 11/9/2017 7:31:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 11/9/2017 1:06:00 PM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 11/9/2017 10:45:00 AM (view original):
I agree that it doesn't look good for him. It just gets frustrating that, despite party affiliation, half the country is routing for the president to fail. I wanted Obama to succeed. Unfortunately, it didn't happen. I am not a supporter of Trump, but I want to see him succeed. He is off to a good start with the economy. It's bad for our country when half of the population is routing against the sitting president. Saying that, he works for us and should be held accountable, but the Both parties need to quit knit-picking. I remember when Fox News showed and commented on where Obama's kids were vacationing. I would lose my mind if a media outlet put my kids in danger like that.
Look, on one hand I don't want Trump to fail. I want him to do well. I want America to do well.

But on the other hand, I just don't like him, I don't like people like him, I don't like businessmen presidents, I don't like everything that he stands for.

If Trump were to succeed that would set a dangerous precedent. A precedent that would lead in this countries's downfall. Climate change destroying our planet is inevitable if Trump succeeds. A war with Korea is inevitable if Trump succeeds. The ending of democracy is inevitable if Trump succeeds.

I hope this explains things. While I want America to do well, I would much rather it happen under a stable leader. Mentally. And someone who knows what they are doing.

Trump is neither of those things.
Also, I think it's unfair to assume that business people make crappy presidents. I'm going to assume that most democrats would vote for Warren Buffet if he ran. Business people are good for the economy in the role of president. Obama had very little understanding of how money works. He averaged a 2% GDP growth never eclipsing 3%. Trump has eclipsed 3% in both of the last 2 quarters and growth is expected to be around 4.25% this quarter putting him well above 3% this year. He has more flaws than I care to mention. I would be okay if twitter deleted his page, but he is good for the economy as most entrepreneurs would be.
Business leaders should, in theory, be better with money - on the condition that they know how to run a country (which is different than a company) and that they actually know how to manage money (which Trump does not - he was handed wealth on a silver platter and still managed to almost throw it away). So while I will admit that in terms of economy they might be fine. However, in terms of internal and foreign decisions, most businessmen (I would assume) would make decisions based off of what would benefit THEM and their business interests. At least that is what we are seeing from Trump.

Although I would concede that I am not the most knowledgeable on business and don't pretend to be so if I am wrong on this please correct me.

I have said numerous times that I care more about internal and foreign management than I do about economy. It just so happens that the things I value are Trump's weakest points.
11/9/2017 7:45 PM
What makes running a business different from running a country in the financial sense?
11/9/2017 8:19 PM
Posted by strikeout26 on 11/9/2017 8:19:00 PM (view original):
What makes running a business different from running a country in the financial sense?
Businesses actually have to stick to their budget. Apparently government doesn't have to.
11/9/2017 8:23 PM
Posted by strikeout26 on 11/9/2017 8:19:00 PM (view original):
What makes running a business different from running a country in the financial sense?
Foreign affairs, more internal things with actually making citizens happy, etc.

The obvious.
11/9/2017 8:26 PM
Posted by tangplay on 11/9/2017 8:26:00 PM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 11/9/2017 8:19:00 PM (view original):
What makes running a business different from running a country in the financial sense?
Foreign affairs, more internal things with actually making citizens happy, etc.

The obvious.
That didn't answer the question
11/9/2017 8:34 PM
Posted by tangplay on 11/9/2017 8:26:00 PM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 11/9/2017 8:19:00 PM (view original):
What makes running a business different from running a country in the financial sense?
Foreign affairs, more internal things with actually making citizens happy, etc.

The obvious.
Businesses have customers. Speaking strictly financially, foreign affairs are expenses. There is very little difference. By the way, presidents have no obligation to keep citizens happy. They are obligated to keep them safe and free. You say "the obvious," but if you took a step back you would realize that they are much more similar than you realize.
11/9/2017 8:34 PM
Posted by strikeout26 on 11/9/2017 8:34:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 11/9/2017 8:26:00 PM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 11/9/2017 8:19:00 PM (view original):
What makes running a business different from running a country in the financial sense?
Foreign affairs, more internal things with actually making citizens happy, etc.

The obvious.
Businesses have customers. Speaking strictly financially, foreign affairs are expenses. There is very little difference. By the way, presidents have no obligation to keep citizens happy. They are obligated to keep them safe and free. You say "the obvious," but if you took a step back you would realize that they are much more similar than you realize.
CEO's need board approval. President needs Congressional approval. Similar in that regard too
11/9/2017 8:41 PM (edited)
Posted by moy23 on 11/9/2017 8:38:00 PM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 11/9/2017 8:34:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 11/9/2017 8:26:00 PM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 11/9/2017 8:19:00 PM (view original):
What makes running a business different from running a country in the financial sense?
Foreign affairs, more internal things with actually making citizens happy, etc.

The obvious.
Businesses have customers. Speaking strictly financially, foreign affairs are expenses. There is very little difference. By the way, presidents have no obligation to keep citizens happy. They are obligated to keep them safe and free. You say "the obvious," but if you took a step back you would realize that they are much more similar than you realize.
CEO's need board approval. President needs Congressional approval. Similar in that regard too
Good point.
11/9/2017 8:40 PM
Posted by strikeout26 on 11/9/2017 8:40:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 11/9/2017 8:38:00 PM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 11/9/2017 8:34:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 11/9/2017 8:26:00 PM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 11/9/2017 8:19:00 PM (view original):
What makes running a business different from running a country in the financial sense?
Foreign affairs, more internal things with actually making citizens happy, etc.

The obvious.
Businesses have customers. Speaking strictly financially, foreign affairs are expenses. There is very little difference. By the way, presidents have no obligation to keep citizens happy. They are obligated to keep them safe and free. You say "the obvious," but if you took a step back you would realize that they are much more similar than you realize.
CEO's need board approval. President needs Congressional approval. Similar in that regard too
Good point.
Also look no further than the NFL handle the anthem protests to see what happens when a business doesn't keep 'the people' happy.
11/9/2017 8:41 PM
Uh oh Roy Moore
11/9/2017 9:14 PM
Posted by strikeout26 on 11/9/2017 8:34:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 11/9/2017 8:26:00 PM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 11/9/2017 8:19:00 PM (view original):
What makes running a business different from running a country in the financial sense?
Foreign affairs, more internal things with actually making citizens happy, etc.

The obvious.
Businesses have customers. Speaking strictly financially, foreign affairs are expenses. There is very little difference. By the way, presidents have no obligation to keep citizens happy. They are obligated to keep them safe and free. You say "the obvious," but if you took a step back you would realize that they are much more similar than you realize.
What is the metaphor for North Korea? What is the metaphor for Charlottesville?
11/9/2017 10:05 PM
Posted by tangplay on 11/9/2017 10:05:00 PM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 11/9/2017 8:34:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 11/9/2017 8:26:00 PM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 11/9/2017 8:19:00 PM (view original):
What makes running a business different from running a country in the financial sense?
Foreign affairs, more internal things with actually making citizens happy, etc.

The obvious.
Businesses have customers. Speaking strictly financially, foreign affairs are expenses. There is very little difference. By the way, presidents have no obligation to keep citizens happy. They are obligated to keep them safe and free. You say "the obvious," but if you took a step back you would realize that they are much more similar than you realize.
What is the metaphor for North Korea? What is the metaphor for Charlottesville?
Technically the federal government has nothing to do with Charlottesville... Other than be a PR mouthpiece. Corporations deal with PR all the time.
11/9/2017 10:18 PM
Posted by moy23 on 11/9/2017 10:18:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 11/9/2017 10:05:00 PM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 11/9/2017 8:34:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 11/9/2017 8:26:00 PM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 11/9/2017 8:19:00 PM (view original):
What makes running a business different from running a country in the financial sense?
Foreign affairs, more internal things with actually making citizens happy, etc.

The obvious.
Businesses have customers. Speaking strictly financially, foreign affairs are expenses. There is very little difference. By the way, presidents have no obligation to keep citizens happy. They are obligated to keep them safe and free. You say "the obvious," but if you took a step back you would realize that they are much more similar than you realize.
What is the metaphor for North Korea? What is the metaphor for Charlottesville?
Technically the federal government has nothing to do with Charlottesville... Other than be a PR mouthpiece. Corporations deal with PR all the time.
The way they have to deal with it is WAYYY different tho
11/9/2017 10:41 PM
Posted by tangplay on 11/9/2017 10:41:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 11/9/2017 10:18:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 11/9/2017 10:05:00 PM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 11/9/2017 8:34:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 11/9/2017 8:26:00 PM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 11/9/2017 8:19:00 PM (view original):
What makes running a business different from running a country in the financial sense?
Foreign affairs, more internal things with actually making citizens happy, etc.

The obvious.
Businesses have customers. Speaking strictly financially, foreign affairs are expenses. There is very little difference. By the way, presidents have no obligation to keep citizens happy. They are obligated to keep them safe and free. You say "the obvious," but if you took a step back you would realize that they are much more similar than you realize.
What is the metaphor for North Korea? What is the metaphor for Charlottesville?
Technically the federal government has nothing to do with Charlottesville... Other than be a PR mouthpiece. Corporations deal with PR all the time.
The way they have to deal with it is WAYYY different tho
Not really. In business, CEO makes a statement to the press. PR people take it from there. Look at Zuckerberg handling the Russian ads, same thing.
11/9/2017 10:44 PM
This is one battle you're not going to win, Tang. They are VERY similar. Also, remember that I was speaking strictly in economic terms. Obviously business doesn't have to deal with war.
11/9/2017 11:10 PM
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