Posted by tecwrg on 11/29/2014 9:20:00 PM (view original):
I would have had no problem with either way the grand jury went.  I like to think that the legal system works most of the time.

Had this gone to trial, I think they would have had to move the trial to somewhere other than Ferguson.  Not sure how Wilson could have gotten a fair trial in a community with a lynch mob mentality.  And I think he would have been acquitted in a truly fair criminal trial because there is more than enough reasonable doubt that he acted wrongly here.

I wouldn't have a problem with a not-guilty verdict. Instead we're left with a ton of unanswered questions.

Posted by bad_luck on 11/30/2014 12:43:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 11/29/2014 9:20:00 PM (view original):
I would have had no problem with either way the grand jury went.  I like to think that the legal system works most of the time.

Had this gone to trial, I think they would have had to move the trial to somewhere other than Ferguson.  Not sure how Wilson could have gotten a fair trial in a community with a lynch mob mentality.  And I think he would have been acquitted in a truly fair criminal trial because there is more than enough reasonable doubt that he acted wrongly here.

I wouldn't have a problem with a not-guilty verdict. Instead we're left with a ton of unanswered questions.

Unlikely.  You would still be here ******** about something with a not-guilty verdict.

Posted by moy23 on 11/30/2014 7:30:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 11/30/2014 12:43:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 11/29/2014 9:20:00 PM (view original):
I would have had no problem with either way the grand jury went.  I like to think that the legal system works most of the time.

Had this gone to trial, I think they would have had to move the trial to somewhere other than Ferguson.  Not sure how Wilson could have gotten a fair trial in a community with a lynch mob mentality.  And I think he would have been acquitted in a truly fair criminal trial because there is more than enough reasonable doubt that he acted wrongly here.

I wouldn't have a problem with a not-guilty verdict. Instead we're left with a ton of unanswered questions.

Questions are answered by an investigation - in this case I think there were two or three investigations. If you want to take this further to a 'murder' trial you need to prove probable cause that Darren Wilson intended to 'murder' brown BEFORE brown attacked him. In this case there is no specific probable cause that Wilson "wanted to kill someone" before he was attacked. The other questions you bring up don't matter if you can not prove Wilson, a 6 year vet that's never discharged his firearm while on duty, woke up and intended to kill someone that day. Does that make sense?

You lose all credibility when you make posts like this.

One doesn't have to "want to kill somebody" to overreact to a situation in a criminal manner and do something that results in a dead body.  Nor does one have to "wake up intending to kill somebody that day" to be involved in a murder.

Posted by tecwrg on 11/30/2014 8:35:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 11/30/2014 12:43:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 11/29/2014 9:20:00 PM (view original):
I would have had no problem with either way the grand jury went.  I like to think that the legal system works most of the time.

Had this gone to trial, I think they would have had to move the trial to somewhere other than Ferguson.  Not sure how Wilson could have gotten a fair trial in a community with a lynch mob mentality.  And I think he would have been acquitted in a truly fair criminal trial because there is more than enough reasonable doubt that he acted wrongly here.

I wouldn't have a problem with a not-guilty verdict. Instead we're left with a ton of unanswered questions.

Unlikely.  You would still be here ******** about something with a not-guilty verdict.

Probably not. I'm not sure Wilson did anything wrong. But there are enough unanswered questions and investigative irregularities that I understand the anger and mistrust felt by the community. Especially when you factor in the generally racist history of the police departments in the area.

This is what we know to be the truth.....

Brown is the criminal. Even his past history proves that.

Wilson is the GOOD GUY. The Cop has every right to defend himself in a confrontation with a criminal. He was TRAINED to do so. Did Wilson really over-react or did he really feel that if he didn't shoot he would be dead himself? Only Wilson himself can answer that question... and he has!

Anyone who stands up and argues for a proven criminal is an idiot. Doesn't matter if he is black or white. The rioters and protesters are trying to make this crime a RACE issue. It isn't. It is a "Right verses Wrong" issue. When you become a criminal you are automatically on the Wrong side. If you rough up a Cop you have crossed the line. Physical violence against a Cop can, and in this case, lead to death.

Would Brown be alive today had he NOT robbed the convenience store? Had he NOT assaulted a police officer? Had he surrendered with his hands in the air? Yes!

SO, DON'T BLAME THE COP, THE DA, THE FACT THAT HE WAS BLACK AND THE COP WAS WHITE, THE ENTIRE JUSTICE SYSTEM FOR DOING THEIR JOB.

BLAME MICHAEL BROWN!

I think there's a difference between, "you robbed a convenience store and should be held accountable," and "you robbed a convenience store so we aren't going to ask any questions if a cop kills you in the street or hold that cop accountable if he crossed the line."

precedent

Posted by bad_luck on 11/30/2014 12:07:00 PM (view original):
I think there's a difference between, "you robbed a convenience store and should be held accountable," and "you robbed a convenience store so we aren't going to ask any questions if a cop kills you in the street or hold that cop accountable if he crossed the line."

Of course there's a difference. And in this particular case, there was questioning, investigations, and a grand jury hearing.

What was missing here?

Posted by tecwrg on 11/30/2014 12:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 11/30/2014 12:07:00 PM (view original):
I think there's a difference between, "you robbed a convenience store and should be held accountable," and "you robbed a convenience store so we aren't going to ask any questions if a cop kills you in the street or hold that cop accountable if he crossed the line."

Of course there's a difference. And in this particular case, there was questioning, investigations, and a grand jury hearing.

What was missing here?

According to BL what was missing was a different verdict. It isn't what HE wanted..... so it is wrong.

What part about defending his life is wrong? I don't get it. That is what he is trained to do. Evidently BL would rather have the Cop dead than the criminal.

Posted by tecwrg on 11/30/2014 12:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 11/30/2014 12:07:00 PM (view original):
I think there's a difference between, "you robbed a convenience store and should be held accountable," and "you robbed a convenience store so we aren't going to ask any questions if a cop kills you in the street or hold that cop accountable if he crossed the line."

Of course there's a difference. And in this particular case, there was questioning, investigations, and a grand jury hearing.

What was missing here?

The questions persist, there were major irregularities in the investigation, and the DA, if he wasn't actually trying not to take the case to trial, certainly gave the appearance that he didn't want to go to trial.

Ferguson, MO posts...this

is a good read and straight to the point.... My Name is William G.

Lillas....
I wanted to clear up a few black and white questions and

answers. The things I state are facts. They are not downloaded from

some media website, not propaganda, just observations from a 83 year old

black man, born in America:
"I was told by my parents (yes, a married

man and woman with my last name), that I was ******. We lived in “******

Town” in a small Texas town, no A/C, grass growing through the floor, no

car, no TV. We washed our bodies with lye soap that my mother made, by

hand. I thought I was a ******, until I graduated high school, went to

college, did an enlistment in the Army, and got a job. I am now retired,

own my own home, have 6 children by ONE WOMAN, and we all have the same

last name. I have a Bachelor’s Degree in Liberal Arts, a Master’s Degree

in Sociology. My retirement, VA disability from combat in the Korean War

(I only have one leg), and part-time pay in a local college, is about

$125,000 a year. From dirt poor ******, to old, black, proud

American.
Yes, I am black, and I can say “******”, because I understand

the true meaning of the word.
Let’s clear up a few things about the

Michael Brown incident.
-Fact: It is not called "shoplifting or

stealing", it's called "robbery", which is a felony. Brown stole something

and assaulted someone, that means ROBBERY. It’s on video, and it’s a fact.

Not shoplifting, not theft, not “lifting” a few cigars, but

ROBBERY!
-Michael Brown, like Trayvon, was portrayed by the media as a

“little black boy”, cute little headphones, and his cap and gown photo,

gunned down by a ruthless police assassin, executed by “whitey”. First, I

have never seen a cop drag a person into their car’s driver door to arrest

them. So, let us be clear, Michael Brown was a ******; a sorry assed,

criminal, hoodlum, ******. Nobody wants to say that, but I will. He had a

criminal record a mile long, was known for numerous assaults, robberies,

including the one you saw with your own eyes, and still refuse to call it

a robbery. He was, like so many others, living a life that he thought he

was “entitled” to, just for being alive. Gangsta rap, weed, drinking,

guns, and those stupid-assed low profile rims, makes him some kind of

bad-*** ******.
-I have fought communist Chinese and North Korean

soldiers in the 1950’s with more honor than that ******. Yep, I peeled

potatoes and shot communists. That’s the only job a ****** soldier could

get.
Rodney King? Black Riots!
Trayvon? Black

Riots!
-Hurricane Katrina? Black Riots! Stealing TV’s, designer

clothes, etc.
-O.J. Simpson kills white man and white woman, found NOT

GUILTY? Did white folks riot? Nope!
-In fact, when is the last time

white people rioted? Civil War, maybe? That’s because they are,

relatively, civilized people, much like many black Americans. Protesting

is one thing, hell, I’m all for it. Even if you are an ignorant idiot, you

have a right to protest.
-Stop only showing the young black "cap and

gown" photos of Michael. Charles Manson may have a few of those laying

around, as well. Show the ****** "gangsta" photos of the "poor unarmed

teenager" (grown man) pics that have been removed from his Facebook page,

holding the loaded pistol, smoking weed, with a mouthful of

money.
-Militarization? The stupid-assed media that publicizes this has

no idea what “militarization” really is. Cops wear helmets and vests, and

drive armored vehicle because unemployed ******* thrown bricks at them,

moron! You put on an "Adam 12" uniform and walk down the streets of

Ferguson during the criminal riots. I can guarantee that you'll jump into

the first armored "military tank" that you see.
-You only "want the

police" when you "need the police", otherwise, you mock and fear what you

do not understand about the police. And by the way, the police are trained

to take your ****, but I wouldn’t **** around with those Army National

Guard, they aren’t as well disciplined “culturally” to take your **** like

police do every day. They will ventilate your black ***** with M-16s, with

military precision and extreme prejudice.
-And finally, the way we

protest and demand justice, is run down the streets breaking ****, looting

stores, and acting like a bunch of untrained monkeys? Hell, after Rodney

King, criminal ******* were actually killing people, thinking they were

entitled to be worse criminals than they already were. For those black

criminals that do that, you are a disgrace to your race, inflamed by

idiots like Al Sharpton, instead of listening to logic from proud black

Americans like Samuel Jackson, Colin Powell, Allen West, me,

etc.
-You blame white people for your ignorance, criminal acts,

unemployed laziness, etc.
-You blame white people for 89% of the

prisons in America being full of blacks. They did nothing wrong, the

racists white cops framed them all, right? No chance at school, no chance

for college, military, employment?
BULL ****!
-More ******* kill

*******, than ******* killing whites, whites killing *******, and whites

killing whites….COMBINED. I find this astounding.
-It's not white

peoples' faults, the Emancipation Proclamation was signed by a white man

years ago. You can go to school, get a job, buy a house, and vote, JUST

LIKE WHITE FOLKS!!!! You are not a slave, you are not discriminated

against! Slavery is abolished, and nobody alive today, was alive

when it was popular. Get over it! You are discriminated against

because you are a criminal, sorry-assed ******. Otherwise, black Americans

are treated like everyone else.
-If you choose to create "baby daddy

and baby mama", and fake disabilities as an excuse for laziness to draw

social security disability…… instead of husband, wife, family, job,

mortgage, it's YOUR FAULT, not white folks. And there are a lot of proud

black Americans that will tell you the same, as I AM ONE OF

THEM!!!
-Remember, the way you act on the camera, is remembered by

everyone who sees it. They will never forget it. It shows them how you, as

the black race, respond to situations that don’t particularly go the way

you think they should. It will become a reference standard, something they

expect from you when the next media report doesn’t go your way. Stop being

stupid *******, and be a proud black American. My parents raised me well,

but they were wrong about one thing, I am not a ******.
I will not be

around long. While my mind is still sharp, and my aim is still good, my

body is eating away with cancer. It started in the prostate, and is

spreading rapidly. After I die, I have asked my children to publish my

writings, and include my name. Although I am not expecting any miracles, I

can only hope that Americans will stop blaming color, start blaming

criminals, and see people for what the y really are. We have too many

countries that want us dead. We should not be fighting each

other.
"William G. Lillas"

That's some racist **** right there. You want to call Brown the N word but know enough to know that it's unacceptable, so you post a cut and paste attributed to a black person calling Brown the N word.


Also, it's fake:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/blackvet.asp