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haha. Way to try to change the subject.
Oh, that subject. $11 an hour, really?

Boeing moved it's manufacturing to South Carolina to avoid unions... They pay their SC workers $20+ per hour and including benefits about $80k/yr. Last month there was a vote to become unionized that was heavily shot down. I wonder why, if they'd make so much more in unions.

$11/hr????
Um, $20 per hour is not $80k per year. It's about $40k.

You think "votes" to unionize get shot down because workers don't want to unionize or because the company puts pressure on the workers not to do it?
Think about it this way, if workers would NOT earn more as a union, why would Boeing go through all the trouble to move its operation "to avoid unions?"
Because negotiating with unions is a YUUUUGE waste of time, resources, and money. Why would any company want to deal with that? The companies know if the wages they offer employees are too low the employee will work elsewhere. They don't need unions to tell them that.
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Posted by moy23 on 3/8/2017 1:00:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 3/8/2017 12:53:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 3/8/2017 12:52:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 3/8/2017 12:47:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 3/8/2017 12:37:00 PM (view original):
haha. Way to try to change the subject.
Oh, that subject. $11 an hour, really?

Boeing moved it's manufacturing to South Carolina to avoid unions... They pay their SC workers $20+ per hour and including benefits about $80k/yr. Last month there was a vote to become unionized that was heavily shot down. I wonder why, if they'd make so much more in unions.

$11/hr????
Um, $20 per hour is not $80k per year. It's about $40k.

You think "votes" to unionize get shot down because workers don't want to unionize or because the company puts pressure on the workers not to do it?
Think about it this way, if workers would NOT earn more as a union, why would Boeing go through all the trouble to move its operation "to avoid unions?"
Because negotiating with unions is a YUUUUGE waste of time, resources, and money. Why would any company want to deal with that? The companies know if the wages they offer employees are too low the employee will work elsewhere. They don't need unions to tell them that.
They moved to save money because they pay the WA plant workers $10 more an hour than they pay the SC plant workers.

It's Boeing's right to move, but don't try to tell me the workers are better off not in the union, because that's bullshit.
3/8/2017 1:06 PM
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Posted by moy23 on 3/8/2017 12:57:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 3/8/2017 12:52:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 3/8/2017 12:47:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 3/8/2017 12:37:00 PM (view original):
haha. Way to try to change the subject.
Oh, that subject. $11 an hour, really?

Boeing moved it's manufacturing to South Carolina to avoid unions... They pay their SC workers $20+ per hour and including benefits about $80k/yr. Last month there was a vote to become unionized that was heavily shot down. I wonder why, if they'd make so much more in unions.

$11/hr????
Um, $20 per hour is not $80k per year. It's about $40k.

You think "votes" to unionize get shot down because workers don't want to unionize or because the company puts pressure on the workers not to do it?
Um, $20 an hour is not $11 an hour. It's almost double that.

Um, $20 per hour plus BENEFITS is about $80k per year. Reading Comprehension 101.
Oh ok. So if a worker said, keep the benefits, I'll take the $80k, Boeing would say sure?
3/8/2017 1:07 PM
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Oblunder's CIA was hacked from 2013-2016. Go figure.
I think you're misreading the story.

It's not that the CIA was hacked from 2013-2016, it's that the files that Wikileaks has now, the actual hacking tools that the CIA was using, were created between 2013 and 2016.
You are correct, 4 years of files were stolen from the CIA under Oblunder. Some files suggesting the CIA was working on programs to hack your smart TV camera in your home.
Yeah, the continued expansion of government surveillance was one of my biggest problems with Obama. I doubt it will get better under Trump.

I do love your implication that Obama was somehow responsible for a CIA leak. What funny nickname should we give Trump for all the CIA leaks coming out now? I vote for Putin's-*****.
You never answered, moy.
3/8/2017 1:09 PM
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Posted by bad_luck on 3/8/2017 1:07:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 3/8/2017 12:57:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 3/8/2017 12:52:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 3/8/2017 12:47:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 3/8/2017 12:37:00 PM (view original):
haha. Way to try to change the subject.
Oh, that subject. $11 an hour, really?

Boeing moved it's manufacturing to South Carolina to avoid unions... They pay their SC workers $20+ per hour and including benefits about $80k/yr. Last month there was a vote to become unionized that was heavily shot down. I wonder why, if they'd make so much more in unions.

$11/hr????
Um, $20 per hour is not $80k per year. It's about $40k.

You think "votes" to unionize get shot down because workers don't want to unionize or because the company puts pressure on the workers not to do it?
Um, $20 an hour is not $11 an hour. It's almost double that.

Um, $20 per hour plus BENEFITS is about $80k per year. Reading Comprehension 101.
Oh ok. So if a worker said, keep the benefits, I'll take the $80k, Boeing would say sure?
You've lost your mind... And the argument.

What company, union or nonunion, would ever agree to that? I'd definitely take my company up on that offer and just go on my wife's healthcare plan.
3/8/2017 1:14 PM
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Posted by moy23 on 3/8/2017 1:14:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 3/8/2017 1:07:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 3/8/2017 12:57:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 3/8/2017 12:52:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 3/8/2017 12:47:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 3/8/2017 12:37:00 PM (view original):
haha. Way to try to change the subject.
Oh, that subject. $11 an hour, really?

Boeing moved it's manufacturing to South Carolina to avoid unions... They pay their SC workers $20+ per hour and including benefits about $80k/yr. Last month there was a vote to become unionized that was heavily shot down. I wonder why, if they'd make so much more in unions.

$11/hr????
Um, $20 per hour is not $80k per year. It's about $40k.

You think "votes" to unionize get shot down because workers don't want to unionize or because the company puts pressure on the workers not to do it?
Um, $20 an hour is not $11 an hour. It's almost double that.

Um, $20 per hour plus BENEFITS is about $80k per year. Reading Comprehension 101.
Oh ok. So if a worker said, keep the benefits, I'll take the $80k, Boeing would say sure?
You've lost your mind... And the argument.

What company, union or nonunion, would ever agree to that? I'd definitely take my company up on that offer and just go on my wife's healthcare plan.
No ****. Because the actual value of the benefits doesn't DOUBLE your salary. You don't get to claim they actually pay their workers $80k a year. They pay them $40k, about $20k a year less than they pay union workers.
3/8/2017 1:16 PM
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Posted by bad_luck on 3/8/2017 1:06:00 PM (view original):
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Posted by bad_luck on 3/8/2017 12:53:00 PM (view original):
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Posted by moy23 on 3/8/2017 12:47:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 3/8/2017 12:37:00 PM (view original):
haha. Way to try to change the subject.
Oh, that subject. $11 an hour, really?

Boeing moved it's manufacturing to South Carolina to avoid unions... They pay their SC workers $20+ per hour and including benefits about $80k/yr. Last month there was a vote to become unionized that was heavily shot down. I wonder why, if they'd make so much more in unions.

$11/hr????
Um, $20 per hour is not $80k per year. It's about $40k.

You think "votes" to unionize get shot down because workers don't want to unionize or because the company puts pressure on the workers not to do it?
Think about it this way, if workers would NOT earn more as a union, why would Boeing go through all the trouble to move its operation "to avoid unions?"
Because negotiating with unions is a YUUUUGE waste of time, resources, and money. Why would any company want to deal with that? The companies know if the wages they offer employees are too low the employee will work elsewhere. They don't need unions to tell them that.
They moved to save money because they pay the WA plant workers $10 more an hour than they pay the SC plant workers.

It's Boeing's right to move, but don't try to tell me the workers are better off not in the union, because that's bullshit.
Apples to apples.

They pay those employees in WA $10 more because the cost of living is sooo much higher in Seattle. Why do I make so much more in Chicago than someone who does the exact same thing for the same company in Peoria IL?
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Posted by moy23 on 3/8/2017 1:18:00 PM (view original):
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Posted by bad_luck on 3/8/2017 12:37:00 PM (view original):
haha. Way to try to change the subject.
Oh, that subject. $11 an hour, really?

Boeing moved it's manufacturing to South Carolina to avoid unions... They pay their SC workers $20+ per hour and including benefits about $80k/yr. Last month there was a vote to become unionized that was heavily shot down. I wonder why, if they'd make so much more in unions.

$11/hr????
Um, $20 per hour is not $80k per year. It's about $40k.

You think "votes" to unionize get shot down because workers don't want to unionize or because the company puts pressure on the workers not to do it?
Think about it this way, if workers would NOT earn more as a union, why would Boeing go through all the trouble to move its operation "to avoid unions?"
Because negotiating with unions is a YUUUUGE waste of time, resources, and money. Why would any company want to deal with that? The companies know if the wages they offer employees are too low the employee will work elsewhere. They don't need unions to tell them that.
They moved to save money because they pay the WA plant workers $10 more an hour than they pay the SC plant workers.

It's Boeing's right to move, but don't try to tell me the workers are better off not in the union, because that's bullshit.
Apples to apples.

They pay those employees in WA $10 more because the cost of living is sooo much higher in Seattle. Why do I make so much more in Chicago than someone who does the exact same thing for the same company in Peoria IL?
Cost of living is only 6% higher at the WA plant.
3/8/2017 1:23 PM
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And what exactly do union workers do that merits a 50% kicker to their pay?

Besides strike, that is.
3/8/2017 1:25 PM
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Posted by toddcommish on 3/8/2017 1:25:00 PM (view original):
And what exactly do union workers do that merits a 50% kicker to their pay?

Besides strike, that is.
That's the point. Unionizing gives workers leverage to negotiate that they don't have on their own.
3/8/2017 1:27 PM
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Union workers are protected from being ****** workers. IOW, you can't fire a union employee without a landfill of paperwork and court cases. As a general rule, union workers are less productive. That's one reason why companies have no interest in dealing with unions.
3/8/2017 1:29 PM
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Posted by bad_luck on 3/8/2017 1:16:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 3/8/2017 1:14:00 PM (view original):
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Posted by moy23 on 3/8/2017 12:57:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 3/8/2017 12:52:00 PM (view original):
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Posted by bad_luck on 3/8/2017 12:37:00 PM (view original):
haha. Way to try to change the subject.
Oh, that subject. $11 an hour, really?

Boeing moved it's manufacturing to South Carolina to avoid unions... They pay their SC workers $20+ per hour and including benefits about $80k/yr. Last month there was a vote to become unionized that was heavily shot down. I wonder why, if they'd make so much more in unions.

$11/hr????
Um, $20 per hour is not $80k per year. It's about $40k.

You think "votes" to unionize get shot down because workers don't want to unionize or because the company puts pressure on the workers not to do it?
Um, $20 an hour is not $11 an hour. It's almost double that.

Um, $20 per hour plus BENEFITS is about $80k per year. Reading Comprehension 101.
Oh ok. So if a worker said, keep the benefits, I'll take the $80k, Boeing would say sure?
You've lost your mind... And the argument.

What company, union or nonunion, would ever agree to that? I'd definitely take my company up on that offer and just go on my wife's healthcare plan.
No ****. Because the actual value of the benefits doesn't DOUBLE your salary. You don't get to claim they actually pay their workers $80k a year. They pay them $40k, about $20k a year less than they pay union workers.
Lol. $20 an hour = good paying job. $11 an hour like you stated = poor paying job. 'nuff said.
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Posted by bad_luck on 3/8/2017 1:27:00 PM (view original):
Posted by toddcommish on 3/8/2017 1:25:00 PM (view original):
And what exactly do union workers do that merits a 50% kicker to their pay?

Besides strike, that is.
That's the point. Unionizing gives workers leverage to negotiate that they don't have on their own.
You mean, "unionizing gives (******) workers leverage THEIR WORK DOESN'T MERIT".

In the robber baron days, maybe unions helped the downtrodden find unity and negotiating strength. Nowadays, they find that through Twitter and other social media

Unions have outlived their utility.
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haha. Way to try to change the subject.
Oh, that subject. $11 an hour, really?

Boeing moved it's manufacturing to South Carolina to avoid unions... They pay their SC workers $20+ per hour and including benefits about $80k/yr. Last month there was a vote to become unionized that was heavily shot down. I wonder why, if they'd make so much more in unions.

$11/hr????
Um, $20 per hour is not $80k per year. It's about $40k.

You think "votes" to unionize get shot down because workers don't want to unionize or because the company puts pressure on the workers not to do it?
Think about it this way, if workers would NOT earn more as a union, why would Boeing go through all the trouble to move its operation "to avoid unions?"
Because negotiating with unions is a YUUUUGE waste of time, resources, and money. Why would any company want to deal with that? The companies know if the wages they offer employees are too low the employee will work elsewhere. They don't need unions to tell them that.
They moved to save money because they pay the WA plant workers $10 more an hour than they pay the SC plant workers.

It's Boeing's right to move, but don't try to tell me the workers are better off not in the union, because that's bullshit.
Apples to apples.

They pay those employees in WA $10 more because the cost of living is sooo much higher in Seattle. Why do I make so much more in Chicago than someone who does the exact same thing for the same company in Peoria IL?
Cost of living is only 6% higher at the WA plant.
Here's Amazon... Looks like it's on par with Boeing, eh?


Amazon.com Inc Median Hourly Rate by City
City
Seattle, Washington
$24.20
Moreno Valley, California
$13.86
San Bernardino, California
$14.27
Hebron, Kentucky
$15.80
Phoenix, Arizona
$17.47
Columbia, South Carolina
$13.76
Indianapolis, Indiana
$16.33
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Posted by moy23 on 3/8/2017 1:35:00 PM (view original):
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Posted by bad_luck on 3/8/2017 12:37:00 PM (view original):
haha. Way to try to change the subject.
Oh, that subject. $11 an hour, really?

Boeing moved it's manufacturing to South Carolina to avoid unions... They pay their SC workers $20+ per hour and including benefits about $80k/yr. Last month there was a vote to become unionized that was heavily shot down. I wonder why, if they'd make so much more in unions.

$11/hr????
Um, $20 per hour is not $80k per year. It's about $40k.

You think "votes" to unionize get shot down because workers don't want to unionize or because the company puts pressure on the workers not to do it?
Think about it this way, if workers would NOT earn more as a union, why would Boeing go through all the trouble to move its operation "to avoid unions?"
Because negotiating with unions is a YUUUUGE waste of time, resources, and money. Why would any company want to deal with that? The companies know if the wages they offer employees are too low the employee will work elsewhere. They don't need unions to tell them that.
They moved to save money because they pay the WA plant workers $10 more an hour than they pay the SC plant workers.

It's Boeing's right to move, but don't try to tell me the workers are better off not in the union, because that's bullshit.
Apples to apples.

They pay those employees in WA $10 more because the cost of living is sooo much higher in Seattle. Why do I make so much more in Chicago than someone who does the exact same thing for the same company in Peoria IL?
Cost of living is only 6% higher at the WA plant.
Here's Amazon... Looks like it's on par with Boeing, eh?


Amazon.com Inc Median Hourly Rate by City
City
Seattle, Washington
$24.20
Moreno Valley, California
$13.86
San Bernardino, California
$14.27
Hebron, Kentucky
$15.80
Phoenix, Arizona
$17.47
Columbia, South Carolina
$13.76
Indianapolis, Indiana
$16.33
Amazon is in Seattle. Boeing is in Everett. That's like saying Chicago is the same as Gary, IN.

Quit arguing in bad faith.
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