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Posted by MikeT23 on 9/8/2017 11:54:00 AM (view original):
But let's not pretend a Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio or damn near everybody but Hillary/Bernie could have gotten Gorsuch appointed.

He's not done much other than presided over the most investigation Administration in history. Not saying that's his fault but negativity has DOMINATED his Presidency.

I don't think Cruz or Marco win a general election against Hillary. They are too soft, like Mitt Romney was.

Negativity would have dominated ANY Republican Presidency in this day and age. The news is strongly biased to the left. Do you honestly think they would have reported any more positively had Cruz been in office? The only difference is Trump fights back against the dishonesty so much to the point where polling shows more Americans believe the media is more dishonest than Trump... The rest of the republicans (including Cruz) would have just cowered.

But Trump, specifically, being President is not WHY Gorsuch was appointed. ANY conservative could have done that.

I think Cruz/Rubio would have gone about BEING President as opposed to fighting the LIBERAL MEDIA!!!! Trump loves to be talked about and to talk.

If you thought Obama was divisive .. Cruz is even more so. Not only did he put off Democrats, he puts off his own party. He might look presidential but make no mistake the gridlock would be worse than it was was Obama.

And the Republicans love Trump and are pushing thru his agenda?

Where are you getting your news?

No. They can't stand him. Trump is turning the public against them in a big way. Their voters are siding with Trump, see the polling, and now they actually have to do something to get re-elected.

do you mean the polling that shows Trump's approval rating as historically low? That polling?

John Boner watching the Dump/Ryan clown show:

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Posted by MikeT23 on 9/8/2017 11:54:00 AM (view original):
But let's not pretend a Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio or damn near everybody but Hillary/Bernie could have gotten Gorsuch appointed.

He's not done much other than presided over the most investigation Administration in history. Not saying that's his fault but negativity has DOMINATED his Presidency.

I don't think Cruz or Marco win a general election against Hillary. They are too soft, like Mitt Romney was.

Negativity would have dominated ANY Republican Presidency in this day and age. The news is strongly biased to the left. Do you honestly think they would have reported any more positively had Cruz been in office? The only difference is Trump fights back against the dishonesty so much to the point where polling shows more Americans believe the media is more dishonest than Trump... The rest of the republicans (including Cruz) would have just cowered.

But Trump, specifically, being President is not WHY Gorsuch was appointed. ANY conservative could have done that.

I think Cruz/Rubio would have gone about BEING President as opposed to fighting the LIBERAL MEDIA!!!! Trump loves to be talked about and to talk.

If you thought Obama was divisive .. Cruz is even more so. Not only did he put off Democrats, he puts off his own party. He might look presidential but make no mistake the gridlock would be worse than it was was Obama.

And the Republicans love Trump and are pushing thru his agenda?

Where are you getting your news?

No. They can't stand him. Trump is turning the public against them in a big way. Their voters are siding with Trump, see the polling, and now they actually have to do something to get re-elected.

do you mean the polling that shows Trump's approval rating as historically low? That polling?

Yep. Trump won with 40% favorability. That poll means nothing. Elections are won state by state, not nationally

Yes. Let's pretend that public opinion of trump won't matter when he's facing an opponent that everyone doesn't also hate.

Posted by MikeT23 on 9/8/2017 12:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 9/8/2017 12:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 9/8/2017 12:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 9/8/2017 12:26:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by moy23 on 9/8/2017 12:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 9/8/2017 11:54:00 AM (view original):
But let's not pretend a Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio or damn near everybody but Hillary/Bernie could have gotten Gorsuch appointed.

He's not done much other than presided over the most investigation Administration in history. Not saying that's his fault but negativity has DOMINATED his Presidency.

I don't think Cruz or Marco win a general election against Hillary. They are too soft, like Mitt Romney was.

Negativity would have dominated ANY Republican Presidency in this day and age. The news is strongly biased to the left. Do you honestly think they would have reported any more positively had Cruz been in office? The only difference is Trump fights back against the dishonesty so much to the point where polling shows more Americans believe the media is more dishonest than Trump... The rest of the republicans (including Cruz) would have just cowered.

But Trump, specifically, being President is not WHY Gorsuch was appointed. ANY conservative could have done that.

I think Cruz/Rubio would have gone about BEING President as opposed to fighting the LIBERAL MEDIA!!!! Trump loves to be talked about and to talk.

If you thought Obama was divisive .. Cruz is even more so. Not only did he put off Democrats, he puts off his own party. He might look presidential but make no mistake the gridlock would be worse than it was was Obama.

And the Republicans love Trump and are pushing thru his agenda?

Where are you getting your news?

No. They can't stand him. Trump is turning the public against them in a big way. Their voters are siding with Trump, see the polling, and now they actually have to do something to get re-elected.

So Trump will cost conservatives their seats in Congress?

You somehow think that's a good thing for the Republican party? OK, then.

No. Conservatives will lose their seats if they don't ACT to pass conservative legislation. Trump is just calling them out for it. They've been talking for 7 years...

Posted by moy23 on 9/8/2017 1:09:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by moy23 on 9/8/2017 12:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 9/8/2017 11:54:00 AM (view original):
But let's not pretend a Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio or damn near everybody but Hillary/Bernie could have gotten Gorsuch appointed.

He's not done much other than presided over the most investigation Administration in history. Not saying that's his fault but negativity has DOMINATED his Presidency.

I don't think Cruz or Marco win a general election against Hillary. They are too soft, like Mitt Romney was.

Negativity would have dominated ANY Republican Presidency in this day and age. The news is strongly biased to the left. Do you honestly think they would have reported any more positively had Cruz been in office? The only difference is Trump fights back against the dishonesty so much to the point where polling shows more Americans believe the media is more dishonest than Trump... The rest of the republicans (including Cruz) would have just cowered.

But Trump, specifically, being President is not WHY Gorsuch was appointed. ANY conservative could have done that.

I think Cruz/Rubio would have gone about BEING President as opposed to fighting the LIBERAL MEDIA!!!! Trump loves to be talked about and to talk.

If you thought Obama was divisive .. Cruz is even more so. Not only did he put off Democrats, he puts off his own party. He might look presidential but make no mistake the gridlock would be worse than it was was Obama.

And the Republicans love Trump and are pushing thru his agenda?

Where are you getting your news?

No. They can't stand him. Trump is turning the public against them in a big way. Their voters are siding with Trump, see the polling, and now they actually have to do something to get re-elected.

So Trump will cost conservatives their seats in Congress?

You somehow think that's a good thing for the Republican party? OK, then.

No. Conservatives will lose their seats if they don't ACT to pass conservative legislation. Trump is just calling them out for it. They've been talking for 7 years...

Would they? After all, they've been talking for 7 years. It's Trump "bulldozing" via twitter that's fueling the rage.

moy see trumps slight victory over Clinton despite the fact that polls showed trump as incredibly unpopular and can choose:

1) wow, trump was lucky to be facing a candidate that everyone also hated!

2) wow, polls don't matter when it comes to trump. He can be at 10% approval and still win he is an unstoppable magician!!!

moy chooses #2. moy is an idiot.

Posted by wylie715 on 9/8/2017 12:39:00 PM (view original):
I think moy is actually Donald Jr.

This would explain a lot. Maybe it's Barron.

Posted by bad_luck on 9/8/2017 1:10:00 PM (view original):
Yes. Let's pretend that public opinion of trump won't matter when he's facing an opponent that everyone doesn't also hate.

A strong economy gets Trump re-elected. Public opinion doesn't matter. The polls are crap anyways...

Posted by bad_luck on 9/8/2017 1:10:00 PM (view original):
Yes. Let's pretend that public opinion of trump won't matter when he's facing an opponent that everyone doesn't also hate.

Like who?

Posted by moy23 on 9/8/2017 1:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 9/8/2017 1:10:00 PM (view original):
Yes. Let's pretend that public opinion of trump won't matter when he's facing an opponent that everyone doesn't also hate.

A strong economy gets Trump re-elected. Public opinion doesn't matter. The polls are crap anyways...

Ahhh, this is the interesting part. If, in three years, the domestic economy is strong(er), health care is handled adequately, international trade is calm, and all of the military/terrorist threats are muted... why would you want Trump out of office? This is the dilemma for the liberals. Yes, he's an arrogant and pompous and contentious (and likely dangerous) leader, but if you want to unseat him, you have to root for a weak(er) economy and international strife. Not a real popular position.

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Posted by bad_luck on 9/8/2017 1:10:00 PM (view original):
Yes. Let's pretend that public opinion of trump won't matter when he's facing an opponent that everyone doesn't also hate.

Like who?

I don't know. But we also didn't see Obama coming in 2005.

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Posted by toddcommish on 9/8/2017 1:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 9/8/2017 1:10:00 PM (view original):
Yes. Let's pretend that public opinion of trump won't matter when he's facing an opponent that everyone doesn't also hate.

Like who?

I don't know. But we also didn't see Obama coming in 2005.

Agreed, but the KNOWN quantity will be Trump and how he failed/persevered/succeeded during the prior three years. Voters have shown an inherent laziness when voting for incumbents, taking a short term view of "How am I doing RIGHT NOW?", which, assuming the economy and perceived safety is fine, favors the incumbent.

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Posted by bad_luck on 9/8/2017 1:10:00 PM (view original):
Yes. Let's pretend that public opinion of trump won't matter when he's facing an opponent that everyone doesn't also hate.

A strong economy gets Trump re-elected. Public opinion doesn't matter. The polls are crap anyways...

Ahhh, this is the interesting part. If, in three years, the domestic economy is strong(er), health care is handled adequately, international trade is calm, and all of the military/terrorist threats are muted... why would you want Trump out of office? This is the dilemma for the liberals. Yes, he's an arrogant and pompous and contentious (and likely dangerous) leader, but if you want to unseat him, you have to root for a weak(er) economy and international strife. Not a real popular position.

Trump has quietly regained lost ground in the Middle East by going back on offense against ISIS. Notice how the media does not want to talk about that? It will be brought up in the 2019 elections, assuming this continues.

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Posted by bad_luck on 9/8/2017 1:10:00 PM (view original):
Yes. Let's pretend that public opinion of trump won't matter when he's facing an opponent that everyone doesn't also hate.

A strong economy gets Trump re-elected. Public opinion doesn't matter. The polls are crap anyways...

Really, because the economy is essentially the same as it has been for the last 3 years.