Trump: Worst President Ever? Topic

Posted by MikeT23 on 8/30/2017 6:30:00 AM (view original):
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Posted by bad_luck on 8/29/2017 7:26:00 PM (view original):
Jesus christ. None of that says anything about people going out of business.

Go back to Russia, tell them that they did a good job getting Trump elected and the US is now ******.
Dumbass - LOL

oooohh the Xenophobic response, I am an American, my parents were LEGAL Immigrants and now American Citizens. What's next B_L are you going to insult me for being Jewish too?

Obamacare has cost roughly 300,000 small business jobs due to higher health care costs, according to a new report.

The American Action Forum, a center-right policy institute, released findings Wednesday that rising premiums and regulations under the Affordable Care Act have had "dire" consequences for the labor market.

The report found the law has cost $19 billion in lost wages per year and forced 10,000 small businesses establishments to close their doors. The study covered employers with 20 to 99 employees.

So a right wing think tank came out with an estimate that the ACA is responsible for 10,000 businesses going under?

Riiiiiiight. Calling bullshit on that nonsense.

The Russian part explains why you're so interested in sucking off trump.
IF YOU LIKE YOUR DOCTOR YOU CAN KEEP YOUR DOCTOR!
ACA WILL SAVE FAMILIES $2500 A YEAR!


You can argue til your face is blue that the ACA woulda coulda shoulda been an improvement over prior healthcare but you can't argue against the FACT that IT FELL WELL SHORT OF OBAMA'S CLAIMS!!!

WORST PRESIDENT EVER... and Oblundercare is his only remaining legacy!
Counterpoint: Obama and Obamacare are popular and the law helped people.

Good president.
Is Obamacare "popular"? And did it hurt people as well?
The majority of people view the ACA favorably, so yes. And no, it didn't hurt anyone.
8/30/2017 12:08 PM
Posted by moy23 on 8/30/2017 6:38:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 8/30/2017 6:30:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 8/30/2017 12:05:00 AM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 8/29/2017 11:30:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 8/29/2017 7:42:00 PM (view original):
Posted by cccp1014 on 8/29/2017 7:32:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 8/29/2017 7:26:00 PM (view original):
Jesus christ. None of that says anything about people going out of business.

Go back to Russia, tell them that they did a good job getting Trump elected and the US is now ******.
Dumbass - LOL

oooohh the Xenophobic response, I am an American, my parents were LEGAL Immigrants and now American Citizens. What's next B_L are you going to insult me for being Jewish too?

Obamacare has cost roughly 300,000 small business jobs due to higher health care costs, according to a new report.

The American Action Forum, a center-right policy institute, released findings Wednesday that rising premiums and regulations under the Affordable Care Act have had "dire" consequences for the labor market.

The report found the law has cost $19 billion in lost wages per year and forced 10,000 small businesses establishments to close their doors. The study covered employers with 20 to 99 employees.

So a right wing think tank came out with an estimate that the ACA is responsible for 10,000 businesses going under?

Riiiiiiight. Calling bullshit on that nonsense.

The Russian part explains why you're so interested in sucking off trump.
IF YOU LIKE YOUR DOCTOR YOU CAN KEEP YOUR DOCTOR!
ACA WILL SAVE FAMILIES $2500 A YEAR!


You can argue til your face is blue that the ACA woulda coulda shoulda been an improvement over prior healthcare but you can't argue against the FACT that IT FELL WELL SHORT OF OBAMA'S CLAIMS!!!

WORST PRESIDENT EVER... and Oblundercare is his only remaining legacy!
Counterpoint: Obama and Obamacare are popular and the law helped people.

Good president.
Is Obamacare "popular"? And did it hurt people as well?
From RCP

Obamacare Historical Public Approval

For/Favor Against/Oppose Spread For/Favor Against/Oppose Spread
2009 - - - 2013 40.4 50.6 -10.2
2010 39.9 51.4 -11.5 2014 39.4 52.6 -13.2
2011 39.1 50.8 -11.7 2015 41.4 50.3 -8.9
2012 40.2 48.8 -8.6 2016 40.4 49.4 -9.0
Odd how you left out the 2017 data. It's almost like you did it on purpose because it shows the ACA as being popular.
8/30/2017 12:10 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 8/30/2017 12:08:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 8/30/2017 6:30:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 8/30/2017 12:05:00 AM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 8/29/2017 11:30:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 8/29/2017 7:42:00 PM (view original):
Posted by cccp1014 on 8/29/2017 7:32:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 8/29/2017 7:26:00 PM (view original):
Jesus christ. None of that says anything about people going out of business.

Go back to Russia, tell them that they did a good job getting Trump elected and the US is now ******.
Dumbass - LOL

oooohh the Xenophobic response, I am an American, my parents were LEGAL Immigrants and now American Citizens. What's next B_L are you going to insult me for being Jewish too?

Obamacare has cost roughly 300,000 small business jobs due to higher health care costs, according to a new report.

The American Action Forum, a center-right policy institute, released findings Wednesday that rising premiums and regulations under the Affordable Care Act have had "dire" consequences for the labor market.

The report found the law has cost $19 billion in lost wages per year and forced 10,000 small businesses establishments to close their doors. The study covered employers with 20 to 99 employees.

So a right wing think tank came out with an estimate that the ACA is responsible for 10,000 businesses going under?

Riiiiiiight. Calling bullshit on that nonsense.

The Russian part explains why you're so interested in sucking off trump.
IF YOU LIKE YOUR DOCTOR YOU CAN KEEP YOUR DOCTOR!
ACA WILL SAVE FAMILIES $2500 A YEAR!


You can argue til your face is blue that the ACA woulda coulda shoulda been an improvement over prior healthcare but you can't argue against the FACT that IT FELL WELL SHORT OF OBAMA'S CLAIMS!!!

WORST PRESIDENT EVER... and Oblundercare is his only remaining legacy!
Counterpoint: Obama and Obamacare are popular and the law helped people.

Good president.
Is Obamacare "popular"? And did it hurt people as well?
The majority of people view the ACA favorably, so yes. And no, it didn't hurt anyone.

Obamacare Historical Public Approval

For/Favor Against/Oppose Spread For/Favor Against/Oppose Spread
2009 - - - 2013 40.4 50.6 -10.2
2010 39.9 51.4 -11.5 2014 39.4 52.6 -13.2
2011 39.1 50.8 -11.7 2015 41.4 50.3 -8.9
2012 40.2 48.8 -8.6 2016 40.4 49.4 -9.0
8/30/2017 12:10 PM
see post above
8/30/2017 12:14 PM
More than half of Americans approve of Obamacare now, Gallup poll finds---April 2017

Dump----35%
Ryan/McConnell---9%
8/30/2017 12:15 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 8/30/2017 12:10:00 PM (view original):
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Posted by cccp1014 on 8/29/2017 7:32:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 8/29/2017 7:26:00 PM (view original):
Jesus christ. None of that says anything about people going out of business.

Go back to Russia, tell them that they did a good job getting Trump elected and the US is now ******.
Dumbass - LOL

oooohh the Xenophobic response, I am an American, my parents were LEGAL Immigrants and now American Citizens. What's next B_L are you going to insult me for being Jewish too?

Obamacare has cost roughly 300,000 small business jobs due to higher health care costs, according to a new report.

The American Action Forum, a center-right policy institute, released findings Wednesday that rising premiums and regulations under the Affordable Care Act have had "dire" consequences for the labor market.

The report found the law has cost $19 billion in lost wages per year and forced 10,000 small businesses establishments to close their doors. The study covered employers with 20 to 99 employees.

So a right wing think tank came out with an estimate that the ACA is responsible for 10,000 businesses going under?

Riiiiiiight. Calling bullshit on that nonsense.

The Russian part explains why you're so interested in sucking off trump.
IF YOU LIKE YOUR DOCTOR YOU CAN KEEP YOUR DOCTOR!
ACA WILL SAVE FAMILIES $2500 A YEAR!


You can argue til your face is blue that the ACA woulda coulda shoulda been an improvement over prior healthcare but you can't argue against the FACT that IT FELL WELL SHORT OF OBAMA'S CLAIMS!!!

WORST PRESIDENT EVER... and Oblundercare is his only remaining legacy!
Counterpoint: Obama and Obamacare are popular and the law helped people.

Good president.
Is Obamacare "popular"? And did it hurt people as well?
From RCP

Obamacare Historical Public Approval

For/Favor Against/Oppose Spread For/Favor Against/Oppose Spread
2009 - - - 2013 40.4 50.6 -10.2
2010 39.9 51.4 -11.5 2014 39.4 52.6 -13.2
2011 39.1 50.8 -11.7 2015 41.4 50.3 -8.9
2012 40.2 48.8 -8.6 2016 40.4 49.4 -9.0
Odd how you left out the 2017 data. It's almost like you did it on purpose because it shows the ACA as being popular.
I was hoping you'd say this and I'm glad you did.

Polling Data

Poll Date For/Favor Against/Oppose Spread
RCP Average 6/17 - 8/21 47.0 40.8 For/Favor +6.2
PPP (D) 8/18 - 8/21 45 36 For/Favor +9
Economist 7/31 - 8/1 50 43 For/Favor +7
FOX News 6/25 - 6/27 52 46 For/Favor +6
NBC/WSJ 6/17 - 6/20 41 38 For/Favor +3


The lastest left leaning PPP poll is from August has a 45% approval. After peaking at about 52% in June/July. The ONLY reason 2017 has had a spike in favorability is because the republicans had a terrible plan to run against it after 7 years of ******** to replace Oblundercare.... Which by the way peaked in June/July.

Moy the Soothsayer will make the prediction now that by October and November when premiums rise again and without a terrible republican healthcare bill on the table Oblundercare will dip back to where it was over there last 7 years. It's not that people LOVE Obummercare.... They don't and it's not popular. Even with the factors I just gave you 2017 is only 47% approval, 53% either disprove or don't care.
8/30/2017 12:33 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 8/30/2017 8:43:00 AM (view original):
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Posted by cccp1014 on 8/29/2017 10:45:00 AM (view original):
I find it interesting. The country has become visibly divided with the ludicrous progressives on one side and right wing conservatives on the other and they just blast one another with "fake news" facts. Meanwhile moderates just sit there and shake their heads asking both sides to please STFU.

While the Alt-Right is clearly way worse than the Prog. Leftists the Prog. Leftists are still just super annoying, uneducated buffoons for the most part.
you know, comrade, you claim to be a moderate ( and I don't really care what you claim to be or are) but you are always calling the left names like ludicrous, while the right is just right wing conservatives. Seems to me you are a little more right leaning than you say. To me both sides are ludicrous and buffoons.
Yeah, Boris went to the miket school of pretending to be in the middle.
Oh, let's at least be honest. I lean conservative. I just don't give a damn about some of the right wing staples like abortion, legalization of pot, opposition to SSM, etc, etc.

But the left on this board is largely ridiculous. When I ask what Trump's done to ruin the world, I get Paris Accord, a FCC appointee and some rambling about the environment. Which is, quite frankly, nothing. Yet day in, day out, I keep reading that we're in deep **** as long as Trump is in office. As if removing him solves all of America's problems.
Says the guy who argued Obama was the worst president in history.
Good dude, terrible President. Everything he did is being undone. Or they're working on undoing it.
doesn't mean what he did was terrible, just means that the opposition party does not like what he did.
Subjective. Wylie, are you are registered Dem?
Yes, I am a registered Democrat. What does that have to do with anything? I'm not saying Obama was a great president, just that because when the opposition gets in power they try to undo everything he did that doesn't make him terrible. To some he was terrible, to some he was great. Like you said, its all subjective. What is not subjective is that the Red Sox suck.
I was just asking don't be so defensive
wylie's a dumbass. Kept repeating "Some of Trump's supporters are racist" as if it meant something. Every candidate has racist supporters.
you're the dumbass, Mike. Is it or is it not true that some of Trump's supporters are racist? I never said no one else was racist other than some of Trump's supporters. That's just the way you and your pea sized brain interpreted it.
8/30/2017 12:35 PM
Posted by RCBracco on 8/30/2017 12:04:00 PM (view original):
cccp1014 most accomplished ******* here
you are giving him more credit than he deserves. There are so many ******** here (on both sides) there's no way CCCP is the most accomplished.
8/30/2017 12:37 PM
Posted by moy23 on 8/30/2017 12:34:00 PM (view original):
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Posted by cccp1014 on 8/29/2017 7:32:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 8/29/2017 7:26:00 PM (view original):
Jesus christ. None of that says anything about people going out of business.

Go back to Russia, tell them that they did a good job getting Trump elected and the US is now ******.
Dumbass - LOL

oooohh the Xenophobic response, I am an American, my parents were LEGAL Immigrants and now American Citizens. What's next B_L are you going to insult me for being Jewish too?

Obamacare has cost roughly 300,000 small business jobs due to higher health care costs, according to a new report.

The American Action Forum, a center-right policy institute, released findings Wednesday that rising premiums and regulations under the Affordable Care Act have had "dire" consequences for the labor market.

The report found the law has cost $19 billion in lost wages per year and forced 10,000 small businesses establishments to close their doors. The study covered employers with 20 to 99 employees.

So a right wing think tank came out with an estimate that the ACA is responsible for 10,000 businesses going under?

Riiiiiiight. Calling bullshit on that nonsense.

The Russian part explains why you're so interested in sucking off trump.
IF YOU LIKE YOUR DOCTOR YOU CAN KEEP YOUR DOCTOR!
ACA WILL SAVE FAMILIES $2500 A YEAR!


You can argue til your face is blue that the ACA woulda coulda shoulda been an improvement over prior healthcare but you can't argue against the FACT that IT FELL WELL SHORT OF OBAMA'S CLAIMS!!!

WORST PRESIDENT EVER... and Oblundercare is his only remaining legacy!
Counterpoint: Obama and Obamacare are popular and the law helped people.

Good president.
Is Obamacare "popular"? And did it hurt people as well?
From RCP

Obamacare Historical Public Approval

For/Favor Against/Oppose Spread For/Favor Against/Oppose Spread
2009 - - - 2013 40.4 50.6 -10.2
2010 39.9 51.4 -11.5 2014 39.4 52.6 -13.2
2011 39.1 50.8 -11.7 2015 41.4 50.3 -8.9
2012 40.2 48.8 -8.6 2016 40.4 49.4 -9.0
Odd how you left out the 2017 data. It's almost like you did it on purpose because it shows the ACA as being popular.
I was hoping you'd say this and I'm glad you did.

Polling Data

Poll Date For/Favor Against/Oppose Spread
RCP Average 6/17 - 8/21 47.0 40.8 For/Favor +6.2
PPP (D) 8/18 - 8/21 45 36 For/Favor +9
Economist 7/31 - 8/1 50 43 For/Favor +7
FOX News 6/25 - 6/27 52 46 For/Favor +6
NBC/WSJ 6/17 - 6/20 41 38 For/Favor +3


The lastest left leaning PPP poll is from August has a 45% approval. After peaking at about 52% in June/July. The ONLY reason 2017 has had a spike in favorability is because the republicans had a terrible plan to run against it after 7 years of ******** to replace Oblundercare.... Which by the way peaked in June/July.

Moy the Soothsayer will make the prediction now that by October and November when premiums rise again and without a terrible republican healthcare bill on the table Oblundercare will dip back to where it was over there last 7 years. It's not that people LOVE Obummercare.... They don't and it's not popular. Even with the factors I just gave you 2017 is only 47% approval, 53% either disprove or don't care.
I doubt you were hoping I'd say that or you would have included it in the first place.



According to Gallup, 55% approve of the ACA and only 30% support repeal and replace. People like being able to buy health insurance. Good luck EVER getting rid of the ACA.

8/30/2017 12:42 PM
Posted by wylie715 on 8/30/2017 12:37:00 PM (view original):
Posted by RCBracco on 8/30/2017 12:04:00 PM (view original):
cccp1014 most accomplished ******* here
you are giving him more credit than he deserves. There are so many ******** here (on both sides) there's no way CCCP is the most accomplished.
The words "cccp" and "most accomplished" don't ever belong in the same sentence in ANY context.
8/30/2017 12:43 PM
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Posted by cccp1014 on 8/29/2017 7:32:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 8/29/2017 7:26:00 PM (view original):
Jesus christ. None of that says anything about people going out of business.

Go back to Russia, tell them that they did a good job getting Trump elected and the US is now ******.
Dumbass - LOL

oooohh the Xenophobic response, I am an American, my parents were LEGAL Immigrants and now American Citizens. What's next B_L are you going to insult me for being Jewish too?

Obamacare has cost roughly 300,000 small business jobs due to higher health care costs, according to a new report.

The American Action Forum, a center-right policy institute, released findings Wednesday that rising premiums and regulations under the Affordable Care Act have had "dire" consequences for the labor market.

The report found the law has cost $19 billion in lost wages per year and forced 10,000 small businesses establishments to close their doors. The study covered employers with 20 to 99 employees.

So a right wing think tank came out with an estimate that the ACA is responsible for 10,000 businesses going under?

Riiiiiiight. Calling bullshit on that nonsense.

The Russian part explains why you're so interested in sucking off trump.
IF YOU LIKE YOUR DOCTOR YOU CAN KEEP YOUR DOCTOR!
ACA WILL SAVE FAMILIES $2500 A YEAR!


You can argue til your face is blue that the ACA woulda coulda shoulda been an improvement over prior healthcare but you can't argue against the FACT that IT FELL WELL SHORT OF OBAMA'S CLAIMS!!!

WORST PRESIDENT EVER... and Oblundercare is his only remaining legacy!
Counterpoint: Obama and Obamacare are popular and the law helped people.

Good president.
Is Obamacare "popular"? And did it hurt people as well?
From RCP

Obamacare Historical Public Approval

For/Favor Against/Oppose Spread For/Favor Against/Oppose Spread
2009 - - - 2013 40.4 50.6 -10.2
2010 39.9 51.4 -11.5 2014 39.4 52.6 -13.2
2011 39.1 50.8 -11.7 2015 41.4 50.3 -8.9
2012 40.2 48.8 -8.6 2016 40.4 49.4 -9.0
Odd how you left out the 2017 data. It's almost like you did it on purpose because it shows the ACA as being popular.
I was hoping you'd say this and I'm glad you did.

Polling Data

Poll Date For/Favor Against/Oppose Spread
RCP Average 6/17 - 8/21 47.0 40.8 For/Favor +6.2
PPP (D) 8/18 - 8/21 45 36 For/Favor +9
Economist 7/31 - 8/1 50 43 For/Favor +7
FOX News 6/25 - 6/27 52 46 For/Favor +6
NBC/WSJ 6/17 - 6/20 41 38 For/Favor +3


The lastest left leaning PPP poll is from August has a 45% approval. After peaking at about 52% in June/July. The ONLY reason 2017 has had a spike in favorability is because the republicans had a terrible plan to run against it after 7 years of ******** to replace Oblundercare.... Which by the way peaked in June/July.

Moy the Soothsayer will make the prediction now that by October and November when premiums rise again and without a terrible republican healthcare bill on the table Oblundercare will dip back to where it was over there last 7 years. It's not that people LOVE Obummercare.... They don't and it's not popular. Even with the factors I just gave you 2017 is only 47% approval, 53% either disprove or don't care.
I doubt you were hoping I'd say that or you would have included it in the first place.



According to Gallup, 55% approve of the ACA and only 30% support repeal and replace. People like being able to buy health insurance. Good luck EVER getting rid of the ACA.

Oh. If that's your argument then you should clarify....

Based on one poll, in one month, Obamacare was popular.


And again, you're dismissing the reason Oblundercare spiked at that time.... A bad replacement bill it was up against.
8/30/2017 12:49 PM (edited)
Posted by wylie715 on 8/30/2017 12:37:00 PM (view original):
Posted by RCBracco on 8/30/2017 12:04:00 PM (view original):
cccp1014 most accomplished ******* here
you are giving him more credit than he deserves. There are so many ******** here (on both sides) there's no way CCCP is the most accomplished.
You are correct. I just wanted to see if he would accept it as a complement
8/30/2017 12:48 PM
Let's just put it this way, the ACA is 20 points more popular than the orange clown in the oval office.
8/30/2017 12:50 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 8/30/2017 12:50:00 PM (view original):
Let's just put it this way, the ACA is 20 points more popular than the orange clown in the oval office.
Way to backpedal since you were WRONG!!! It's not popular so... Based on your own logic Obama wasn't a good president (except in April 2017)
8/30/2017 12:57 PM
Simply put....

The country elected Trump as President after 8 years of Obama. That's how I know Obama was the worst president ever.
8/30/2017 1:00 PM
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