Posted by bad_luck on 6/8/2018 11:02:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 6/8/2018 10:44:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/8/2018 10:39:00 AM (view original):
So you see that it’s reasonable to place the rights of the mother ahead of the rights of the fetus?

Nope. If you're talking about both people being healthy, there is no way to rationally justify killing either of them.

So the mom has no right to determine what happens to her body?

I think you’re on the fringe here. The vast majority (EDIT 80% per Gallup 2017) of Americans support abortion rights up to some point.

Why you ignoring the question? Know you have no answer?
Didn't the woman already exercise her rights (in 95% of the situations) by choosing to have unprotected sex and not taking any preventive action afterward?

Posted by all3 on 6/7/2018 8:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 6/7/2018 6:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 6/7/2018 4:15:00 PM (view original):
No surprise the California Crazy is in favor of it.
Is there any BS thing people in that State don't want to legalize or allow?
Makes me wish their secession plan was coming-along much better.

Much rather live in California than wherever the hell you live.

I'm certainly not surprised. Can you move there and help with the secession?

already live in California

That explains a lot.

Posted by strikeout26 on 6/8/2018 3:59:00 AM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 6/7/2018 6:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 6/7/2018 4:13:00 PM (view original):
You do realize that abortion is killing a baby, right? You are quite heartless to support the death of children. You can try to sugarcoat it any way you want, but it still makes you a heartless bastard.

look, you are fully entitled to your beliefs regarding abortion, just as anyone else is. Just because they are your views does not mean they are everyone's views. Personally, I would never want to abort a child and my wife would not either, but I do believe that women should have the right to choose. Why does the unborn child override the mother's rights. There should be a limit as far as how late in pregnancy an abortion is allowed, but my opinion is it should be allowed. You can think I am a "heartless bastard" if it makes you feel better. I know I am not.

Also, if you think a woman has a "right" to kill another innocent human being you are a dumb *** and a heartless bastard. Keep telling yourself that it's a woman's right, so that you can sleep better at night while millions of innocent babies die you heartless bastard.

good, logical answer. I guess we just disagree.

How b_l feels after every argument he gets involved in. (He has the same success rate as the Coyote.)

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/8/2018 10:58:00 AM (view original):
Until there is consensus on when life begins this debate is pointless.

I don't think this is a point of contention. Pregnancy starts when the fertilized egg is implanted. Termination the pregnancy after that is an abortion.

I don't think the pro-choice argument is that the fetus isn't alive, it's that the fetus isn't a separate person with a full set of rights. The mother's right to decide what happens to her body takes priority.

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/8/2018 8:29:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 6/7/2018 11:13:00 PM (view original):
No, they wouldn't have insurance NOW without ACA.

Explain why.

We only just afforded insurance, and then my dad lost his job and got a lower paying one just after ACA was implemented.

Posted by strikeout26 on 6/8/2018 8:47:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/8/2018 8:43:00 AM (view original):
It does? See I don't know any of these things so how can I possibly opine?

Yes, and they develop limbs at about 8 weeks. There is no logical way to argue that it's not a living human being.

When do fetuses develop conscious thought?

Lol. I'm not sure some people ever develop that.

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/8/2018 10:43:00 AM (view original):
My issue with the pro life argument is more financial rather than moral. So again I just don't opine. It sux either way.

Exactly.

Posted by strikeout26 on 6/8/2018 12:13:00 PM (view original):
Lol. I'm not sure some people ever develop that.

good answer.

For a serious answer, around week 13.

Posted by bad_luck on 6/8/2018 12:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/8/2018 10:58:00 AM (view original):
Until there is consensus on when life begins this debate is pointless.

I don't think this is a point of contention. Pregnancy starts when the fertilized egg is implanted. Termination the pregnancy after that is an abortion.

I don't think the pro-choice argument is that the fetus isn't alive, it's that the fetus isn't a separate person with a full set of rights. The mother's right to decide what happens to her body takes priority.

Let me rephrase. Consensus on when it is a "separate person".

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/8/2018 12:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/8/2018 12:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/8/2018 10:58:00 AM (view original):
Until there is consensus on when life begins this debate is pointless.

I don't think this is a point of contention. Pregnancy starts when the fertilized egg is implanted. Termination the pregnancy after that is an abortion.

I don't think the pro-choice argument is that the fetus isn't alive, it's that the fetus isn't a separate person with a full set of rights. The mother's right to decide what happens to her body takes priority.

Let me rephrase. Consensus on when it is a "separate person".

When it can be separated.

Nah thats not week 13? that is like week 28?

But we are getting somewhere.