Bob, my friend. You asked me to provide proof. I did. Now you are angry with me for providing it? The Bible is not our constitution. We have separation of church and state. For them they follow the Koran to the letter of the law. Sadly.

I am not sure what the solution is either but should we not put all the facts on the table first and then try to figure it out?

Boris, I'm not angry at you at all. I just think we should give the Palestinian people the same courtesy we give the Jewish people......... a right to live in their homeland peacefully. If they won't or can't......... indeed because they swear allegiance to some abominable dogma that actually practices violence against innocent people in some mistaken idea that their God must be everybody else s God, too, then they must NOT be tolerated.

I've said for a long time IF indeed Islam is a religion of peace then it's about High time the peaceful Muslims take responsibility for the haters amongst them and CLEARLY expel them and imprison those that commit atrocities. I suppose that means I am calling on the so-called "friendly" Arab nations (Saudi Arabia, etc) to take charge of the "war" against Islamic terrorists! It's their war as it's their religion that is being used!

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Posted by laramiebob on 12/19/2017 9:25:00 AM (view original):
Boris. You have made that point quite well. I (for one) get it. There are bad people amongst the folks who claim "Palestine".............
I'm sure there are. There are bad people amongst us Americans...... here within our borders. Some who practice political ideologies with which we'd both agree are intolerable. There are also good families here........ just trying to eke out a pleasant lifetime.

Do you think there may be some regular "families" amongst them Palestinians who don't subscribe to the ideologies of Hamas and Fatah??
Whatever that may be.............

I honestly do not know. Maybe. It is a tricky situation because their Koran is their constitution. Imagine if the Bible were our constitution. They are taught from a very young age to hate Israel and the West. They are also taught that as I mentioned women are 2nd class citizens, gays should be killed and that Israel is a vile place that should be destroyed.

So while there may be some good families, they are outnumbered and certainly out voiced by the ones that are not good. While to your point there a bad people in America, I believe the good for the most part greatly outnumber the bad.

The only way to not teach them that is too GET INVOLVED AND CHANGE THINGS.

Boris, taking Palestine over with Israel is only going to make them more upset.

MORE? How much more? They want to wipe me and my people off the face of the Earth. Explain how there is a "more".

More PEOPLE. Not more intensity.

Posted by laramiebob on 12/19/2017 4:45:00 PM (view original):
Boris, I'm not angry at you at all. I just think we should give the Palestinian people the same courtesy we give the Jewish people......... a right to live in their homeland peacefully. If they won't or can't......... indeed because they swear allegiance to some abominable dogma that actually practices violence against innocent people in some mistaken idea that their God must be everybody else s God, too, then they must NOT be tolerated.

I've said for a long time IF indeed Islam is a religion of peace then it's about High time the peaceful Muslims take responsibility for the haters amongst them and CLEARLY expel them and imprison those that commit atrocities. I suppose that means I am calling on the so-called "friendly" Arab nations (Saudi Arabia, etc) to take charge of the "war" against Islamic terrorists! It's their war as it's their religion that is being used!

KSA is not friendly. They have separate entrances for women and men and some places have a "Muslims Only" sign. At least you acknowledge that many of the people there have a dangerous view. It is a start.

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Posted by laramiebob on 12/19/2017 9:25:00 AM (view original):
Boris. You have made that point quite well. I (for one) get it. There are bad people amongst the folks who claim "Palestine".............
I'm sure there are. There are bad people amongst us Americans...... here within our borders. Some who practice political ideologies with which we'd both agree are intolerable. There are also good families here........ just trying to eke out a pleasant lifetime.

Do you think there may be some regular "families" amongst them Palestinians who don't subscribe to the ideologies of Hamas and Fatah??
Whatever that may be.............

I honestly do not know. Maybe. It is a tricky situation because their Koran is their constitution. Imagine if the Bible were our constitution. They are taught from a very young age to hate Israel and the West. They are also taught that as I mentioned women are 2nd class citizens, gays should be killed and that Israel is a vile place that should be destroyed.

So while there may be some good families, they are outnumbered and certainly out voiced by the ones that are not good. While to your point there a bad people in America, I believe the good for the most part greatly outnumber the bad.

The only way to not teach them that is too GET INVOLVED AND CHANGE THINGS.

Boris, taking Palestine over with Israel is only going to make them more upset.

MORE? How much more? They want to wipe me and my people off the face of the Earth. Explain how there is a "more".

More PEOPLE. Not more intensity.

That is not how your sentence was structured. You are an idiot. Most people there if not all want Israel wiped off the face off the Earth. Please stop talking and educate yourself.

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Posted by laramiebob on 12/19/2017 9:25:00 AM (view original):
Boris. You have made that point quite well. I (for one) get it. There are bad people amongst the folks who claim "Palestine".............
I'm sure there are. There are bad people amongst us Americans...... here within our borders. Some who practice political ideologies with which we'd both agree are intolerable. There are also good families here........ just trying to eke out a pleasant lifetime.

Do you think there may be some regular "families" amongst them Palestinians who don't subscribe to the ideologies of Hamas and Fatah??
Whatever that may be.............

I honestly do not know. Maybe. It is a tricky situation because their Koran is their constitution. Imagine if the Bible were our constitution. They are taught from a very young age to hate Israel and the West. They are also taught that as I mentioned women are 2nd class citizens, gays should be killed and that Israel is a vile place that should be destroyed.

So while there may be some good families, they are outnumbered and certainly out voiced by the ones that are not good. While to your point there a bad people in America, I believe the good for the most part greatly outnumber the bad.

The only way to not teach them that is too GET INVOLVED AND CHANGE THINGS.

Boris, taking Palestine over with Israel is only going to make them more upset.

MORE? How much more? They want to wipe me and my people off the face of the Earth. Explain how there is a "more".

More PEOPLE. Not more intensity.

That is not how your sentence was structured. You are an idiot. Most people there if not all want Israel wiped off the face off the Earth. Please stop talking and educate yourself.

I did not structure my sentence very well. My point was that there is currently a percentage of people in Islam who would like to see Jerusalem be wiped off the map. Reacting to that harshly (As the USA has in the past) will increase the number of terrorist groups and likelihood that more people would hate the US (For good reason). It has happened in the past, and it will now. It is a deadly cycle of hate. We need to break that cycle.

Break it, how?

Again, Europe has been very welcoming and they are major victims of terror threats and sharia violence vs. women. How do you explain that? In Palestine if you state that you are an atheist and move away from Islam they can and will end your life. That is the rule of the land. Is it a cycle of hate or cycle of honesty and defense?

At some point will you ever be honest with yourself tangplay and admit that some people are just plain bad?

Posted by cccp1014 on 12/20/2017 10:07:00 AM (view original):
Break it, how?

Again, Europe has been very welcoming and they are major victims of terror threats and sharia violence vs. women. How do you explain that? In Palestine if you state that you are an atheist and move away from Islam they can and will end your life. That is the rule of the land. Is it a cycle of hate or cycle of honesty and defense?

At some point will you ever be honest with yourself tangplay and admit that some people are just plain bad?

I AM NOT TRYING TO DEFEND PALESTINE. I believe in love and compassion in the face of violence, and do not believe in redemptive violence. Thus, I don't believe in attacking Palestine just because they are different from us, and perhaps, bad.

Yes Boris. Some people are bad. But you're trying to condemn an entire "faith" (creed?) with a broad "they're all killers" stroke. Are they?
Isn't that exactly what the Nazis did to the Jewish people? Condemn them all in a single stroke of hatred and fear?

As to the KSA (Took me a bit to figure out who you were talking about)........ I referred to them as a "friendly NATION" in the sense that they are supposedly an allie of the U.S.!! The Bush family (2 GOP POTUS) have been quite close to the Saudi Royal family for decades!! (Oil, you know........ ever see Dallas?) lol

Anyway, what are friends for if NOT to stand up for their friends. This whole terrorism crap (at least the international political part of it that is related to Islam believers) is really NOT our problem. It's the problem of the civilized portion of the globe that is Islamic! They must recognize that WE (the rest of the world) can't tell the difference between the good guys (if there be any) and the terrorists at the present time and thus.......... THEY (The Islamic World) has a problem............ We ain't gonna take it any longer! They need told as (mostly) Arab Nations that the time has come to declare their allegiance....... either stand up clearly and declare war on your Brothers in Islam who practice terrorism as a means of religious dogma or we will declare you allied with terrorists, cut off all support, aid, etc and (ultimately, if necessary) declare war on you---- the Arab Nations of the globe.

Seems to me it's an either or choice. I don't see middle ground. Religious extremism that includes terrorism as a weapon much be ended and it is the responsibility of those WITHIN the faith to do so internally. Or face harsh consequences from the rest of a United Global alliance!!!

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Posted by cccp1014 on 12/20/2017 10:07:00 AM (view original):
Break it, how?

Again, Europe has been very welcoming and they are major victims of terror threats and sharia violence vs. women. How do you explain that? In Palestine if you state that you are an atheist and move away from Islam they can and will end your life. That is the rule of the land. Is it a cycle of hate or cycle of honesty and defense?

At some point will you ever be honest with yourself tangplay and admit that some people are just plain bad?

I AM NOT TRYING TO DEFEND PALESTINE. I believe in love and compassion in the face of violence, and do not believe in redemptive violence. Thus, I don't believe in attacking Palestine just because they are different from us, and perhaps, bad.

Sigh....you are hopeless.

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Posted by tangplay on 12/20/2017 11:53:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 12/20/2017 10:07:00 AM (view original):
Break it, how?

Again, Europe has been very welcoming and they are major victims of terror threats and sharia violence vs. women. How do you explain that? In Palestine if you state that you are an atheist and move away from Islam they can and will end your life. That is the rule of the land. Is it a cycle of hate or cycle of honesty and defense?

At some point will you ever be honest with yourself tangplay and admit that some people are just plain bad?

I AM NOT TRYING TO DEFEND PALESTINE. I believe in love and compassion in the face of violence, and do not believe in redemptive violence. Thus, I don't believe in attacking Palestine just because they are different from us, and perhaps, bad.

Sigh....you are hopeless.

By practicing Christianity, I am hopeless?

Templars practiced Christianity too. The phrase "turn the other cheek" does not mean don't strike back. It means turn so that they slap you with the forehand as an equal not the backhand that was used to slap those subservient to the attacker. While you're praying they are practicing in their terror camps to end you.

Do you at least see, partially, where I am coming from with this?

Posted by laramiebob on 12/20/2017 12:17:00 PM (view original):
Yes Boris. Some people are bad. But you're trying to condemn an entire "faith" (creed?) with a broad "they're all killers" stroke. Are they?
Isn't that exactly what the Nazis did to the Jewish people? Condemn them all in a single stroke of hatred and fear?

As to the KSA (Took me a bit to figure out who you were talking about)........ I referred to them as a "friendly NATION" in the sense that they are supposedly an allie of the U.S.!! The Bush family (2 GOP POTUS) have been quite close to the Saudi Royal family for decades!! (Oil, you know........ ever see Dallas?) lol

Anyway, what are friends for if NOT to stand up for their friends. This whole terrorism crap (at least the international political part of it that is related to Islam believers) is really NOT our problem. It's the problem of the civilized portion of the globe that is Islamic! They must recognize that WE (the rest of the world) can't tell the difference between the good guys (if there be any) and the terrorists at the present time and thus.......... THEY (The Islamic World) has a problem............ We ain't gonna take it any longer! They need told as (mostly) Arab Nations that the time has come to declare their allegiance....... either stand up clearly and declare war on your Brothers in Islam who practice terrorism as a means of religious dogma or we will declare you allied with terrorists, cut off all support, aid, etc and (ultimately, if necessary) declare war on you---- the Arab Nations of the globe.

Seems to me it's an either or choice. I don't see middle ground. Religious extremism that includes terrorism as a weapon much be ended and it is the responsibility of those WITHIN the faith to do so internally. Or face harsh consequences from the rest of a United Global alliance!!!

My campaign for POTUS starts with your donations!
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I agree with everything you said sans the Jews/Muslims comparison. The Jews were not causing acts of terror. They were rich. Hitler wanted their wealth so he said they killed Christ let's kill them and take their money to fund the Nazi party. I am not condemning anyone I just want all the facts on the table so we can discuss rationally.

The tax bill is not perfect. Under reconciliation rules, Congress, to some extent, had their hands tied. Once in place, improvements will be made.

This is a gap. 80% of Americans will get a tax break, but only 17% in Richard Rubin's poll think they will see a tax cut.

Here is some interesting reading...who's money is it?

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/454801/democrats-republican-tax-bill-theft

Just waiting to see how long till the GNP goes over 4%.