Posted by dino27 on 5/25/2018 12:56:00 PM (view original):
i am very conflicted about it...on the one hand i can understand that any sports league would prefer to having the game days be totally apolitical and i can respect that.
on the other hand i totally agree with the substance of the protest.
and i also agree that there is no reason for the anthem and people should not be expected to stand including the players.
since the fans can sit so should the players be allowed.
since the the players are employed by the team and the league i would agree that an actual protest on the field be disallowed but they have the right to sit on the bench.

The issue with the anthem is, of course, that the very concept of playing it is political.

If you want to be apolitical, don't play the anthem.

It's a wartime thing. Not a peacetime thing.

I live in the Kansas City metro. I am completely against any protest against the U.S. flag or the National Anthem. I believe it is misplaced and offensive. At the same time, I adhere to the Constitution and believe that people should have the right to protest, verbally or in action, peaceably, as they see fit.

As Voltaire famously stated, I disapprove of what you say but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.

Posted by dino27 on 5/25/2018 1:00:00 PM (view original):
absolutely.....it is a matter of being classy and not lashing out against groups of people or fellow wis brothers.......if you could only see what i redlined in the past you would feel very comfortable.

Good. I'm not a fan of ad hominem.

thats a good point about the military stuff..where did that guy come from ?

Posted by dino27 on 5/25/2018 1:13:00 PM (view original):
thats a good point about the military stuff..where did that guy come from ?

He came from Bosnia (I think it was still Yugoslavia when he left).

Posted by dino27 on 5/25/2018 1:09:00 PM (view original):
there is always a time and a place......for a particular subject protest.
while it may be offensive to many for some to not stand for the anthem it is also offensive to many to force someone to stand for the anthem.....

What are the people who find it offensive offended by? Did Francis Scott Key **** them off? Perhaps they are not fans of the War of 1812? Maybe they don't care for Woodrow Wilson who signed it into law? (at least that I can understand)

the beastie boys song..right to party. would be great.

Posted by gomiami1972 on 5/25/2018 1:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 5/25/2018 1:09:00 PM (view original):
there is always a time and a place......for a particular subject protest.
while it may be offensive to many for some to not stand for the anthem it is also offensive to many to force someone to stand for the anthem.....

What are the people who find it offensive offended by? Did Francis Scott Key **** them off? Perhaps they are not fans of the War of 1812? Maybe they don't care for Woodrow Wilson who signed it into law? (at least that I can understand)

im talking about the kneeling..i agree that the game is not the time and place...
no one should be forced to stand for the anthem..fans or players...no one needs a reason to sit.

Posted by dino27 on 5/25/2018 1:26:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 5/25/2018 1:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 5/25/2018 1:09:00 PM (view original):
there is always a time and a place......for a particular subject protest.
while it may be offensive to many for some to not stand for the anthem it is also offensive to many to force someone to stand for the anthem.....

What are the people who find it offensive offended by? Did Francis Scott Key **** them off? Perhaps they are not fans of the War of 1812? Maybe they don't care for Woodrow Wilson who signed it into law? (at least that I can understand)

im talking about the kneeling..i agree that the game is not the time and place...
no one should be forced to stand for the anthem..fans or players...no one needs a reason to sit.

OK. Fair enough.

not in the 1940s and not now either.