Posted by jwelsh1023 on 5/15/2012 5:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/15/2012 5:00:00 PM (view original):
And, yes, I do think there has to be guidelines for marriage. 

A successful society has to have rules.  

Guidelines for something that is pointless without the religious background?

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Posted by MikeT23 on 5/11/2012 8:57:00 PM (view original):

Sorry, I'm not up on the sodomy laws.   Let's get back to immorality.  Many people think incest is immoral.  Many people think homosexuality is immoral.  Why is one legal?

Maybe morality isn't the only criteria for legality

If gengxcon and hissis, both consenting adults, are willing to risk pregnancy/deformed babies, how is that different than two dudes, consenting adults, willing to risk AIDS?

Do you actually want to sign your name to such a dumb question? I'll answer if you like, but I'll give you chance to take it back first, considering how multi-layered with stupidity that question is.

Sure.  I'll lay out a scenario for you.  You tell me the problem.

Your mother puts you in a trash can when you're an infant because you're an annoying bastard.   The trashman finds you and raises you as his own.  He never mentions finding you in a smelly trash can.

25 years later, you meet a girl.   You date, you fall in love.   Turns out, your mother and father decided to try to make a better baby after you were discarded.   You're now dating, and nailing, your sister.     Incest is illegal.  

What's the difference between you and your sis in this situation and two dudes in love, morally speaking?

That didn't even make sense. How many mulligans do I have to give you?

Sure it did.   You're screwing your sister, you had planned on getting married and it's illegal.  

Explain, in 500 words or less, how that situation is different than two men wishing to be married.    And "The law says it's illegal" isn't going to cut it. 

Hello?

This still makes no sense. Can anyone translate from Mike to English? Tec? Padna? Anyone?

I'll take that as "I don't like the question.   Two strangers who meet and fall in love would be the same as two strangers who meet and fall in love from a moral standpoint(assuming you don't object to homosexuality) so I'd going to pretend I don't understand." 

We're done here.

Posted by genghisxcon on 5/13/2012 12:59:00 AM:

To give this some direction, quit telling me that many people think X or Y is immoral. Tell me why you do.






Until you quit evading this question, you are wasting my time with pointless drivel.

Posted by genghisxcon on 5/15/2012 5:31:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by MikeT23 on 5/11/2012 8:57:00 PM (view original):

Sorry, I'm not up on the sodomy laws.   Let's get back to immorality.  Many people think incest is immoral.  Many people think homosexuality is immoral.  Why is one legal?

Maybe morality isn't the only criteria for legality

If gengxcon and hissis, both consenting adults, are willing to risk pregnancy/deformed babies, how is that different than two dudes, consenting adults, willing to risk AIDS?

Do you actually want to sign your name to such a dumb question? I'll answer if you like, but I'll give you chance to take it back first, considering how multi-layered with stupidity that question is.

Sure.  I'll lay out a scenario for you.  You tell me the problem.

Your mother puts you in a trash can when you're an infant because you're an annoying bastard.   The trashman finds you and raises you as his own.  He never mentions finding you in a smelly trash can.

25 years later, you meet a girl.   You date, you fall in love.   Turns out, your mother and father decided to try to make a better baby after you were discarded.   You're now dating, and nailing, your sister.     Incest is illegal.  

What's the difference between you and your sis in this situation and two dudes in love, morally speaking?

That didn't even make sense. How many mulligans do I have to give you?

Sure it did.   You're screwing your sister, you had planned on getting married and it's illegal.  

Explain, in 500 words or less, how that situation is different than two men wishing to be married.    And "The law says it's illegal" isn't going to cut it. 

Hello?

This still makes no sense. Can anyone translate from Mike to English? Tec? Padna? Anyone?

I'll take that as "I don't like the question.   Two strangers who meet and fall in love would be the same as two strangers who meet and fall in love from a moral standpoint(assuming you don't object to homosexuality) so I'd going to pretend I don't understand." 

We're done here.

You're asking a completely irrelevant question. I can play that game, too:


Some people think eaing meat is immoral. Some people think rooting for the Yankees is immoral. What's the difference?


Now, pay attention.

Posted by genghisxcon on 5/13/2012 12:59:00 AM:

To give this some direction, quit telling me that many people think X or Y is immoral. Tell me why you do.






Until you quit evading this question, you are wasting my time with pointless drivel.

Posted by jrd_x on 5/15/2012 4:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/15/2012 4:50:00 PM (view original):
You'd have to convince me that marriage is a right.   I don't think it is.   You're required to get a license.   Much like you're required to get a gun license, register to vote or get a driver's license.    If there are guidelines for your inclusion in an activity, seems like it's a privilege.

Voting is a right, not a privilege.  Gun ownership too, for the most part.

Posted by toddcommish on 5/15/2012 5:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jrd_x on 5/15/2012 4:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/15/2012 4:50:00 PM (view original):
You'd have to convince me that marriage is a right.   I don't think it is.   You're required to get a license.   Much like you're required to get a gun license, register to vote or get a driver's license.    If there are guidelines for your inclusion in an activity, seems like it's a privilege.

Voting is a right, not a privilege.  Gun ownership too, for the most part.

If this is your fundamental stance, then you don't understand what a "right" is.

Especially given your reliance on "the founding fathers", who wouldn't let women, blacks, or internet debaters vote.

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Posted by MikeT23 on 5/11/2012 8:57:00 PM (view original):

Sorry, I'm not up on the sodomy laws.   Let's get back to immorality.  Many people think incest is immoral.  Many people think homosexuality is immoral.  Why is one legal?

Maybe morality isn't the only criteria for legality

If gengxcon and hissis, both consenting adults, are willing to risk pregnancy/deformed babies, how is that different than two dudes, consenting adults, willing to risk AIDS?

Do you actually want to sign your name to such a dumb question? I'll answer if you like, but I'll give you chance to take it back first, considering how multi-layered with stupidity that question is.

Sure.  I'll lay out a scenario for you.  You tell me the problem.

Your mother puts you in a trash can when you're an infant because you're an annoying bastard.   The trashman finds you and raises you as his own.  He never mentions finding you in a smelly trash can.

25 years later, you meet a girl.   You date, you fall in love.   Turns out, your mother and father decided to try to make a better baby after you were discarded.   You're now dating, and nailing, your sister.     Incest is illegal.  

What's the difference between you and your sis in this situation and two dudes in love, morally speaking?

That didn't even make sense. How many mulligans do I have to give you?

Sure it did.   You're screwing your sister, you had planned on getting married and it's illegal.  

Explain, in 500 words or less, how that situation is different than two men wishing to be married.    And "The law says it's illegal" isn't going to cut it. 

Hello?

This still makes no sense. Can anyone translate from Mike to English? Tec? Padna? Anyone?

I'll take that as "I don't like the question.   Two strangers who meet and fall in love would be the same as two strangers who meet and fall in love from a moral standpoint(assuming you don't object to homosexuality) so I'd going to pretend I don't understand." 

We're done here.

You're asking a completely irrelevant question. I can play that game, too:


Some people think eaing meat is immoral. Some people think rooting for the Yankees is immoral. What's the difference?


Now, pay attention.

Posted by genghisxcon on 5/13/2012 12:59:00 AM:

To give this some direction, quit telling me that many people think X or Y is immoral. Tell me why you do.






Until you quit evading this question, you are wasting my time with pointless drivel.

I just wanted to see how skinny the paragraphs would get.

Posted by toddcommish on 5/15/2012 6:43:00 PM (view original):
So, you're claiming that all of our "rights" only count if they are granted by old white dudes?

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Posted by tecwrg2 on 5/15/2012 1:42:00 PM (view original):
Sorry, that's deflecting the question again.

Why do YOU think that same-sex marriage is an inalienable right?

Yes, same sex marriage is a right.  As is heterosexual marriage.

Do you think marriage itself is a right?

I didn't ask if you thought same-sex marriage was a right.  You've been arguing that for 20+ pages, so obviously you do.

I asked WHY you think same-sex marriage is a right.

Still waiting for an answer to this.

Posted by jrd_x on 5/15/2012 5:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/15/2012 5:08:00 PM (view original):
If your right can be revoked or denied, it doesn't feel like a right.    If you've been paying attention, you'd know that I've said, repeatedly, that your "rights" are what the governing body says they are when they say they are.   You can't just scream "I KNOW MY RIGHTS" and think anyone cares. 

I don't care if you think it  doesn't "feel" like a right.  Voting is a right.

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Posted by MikeT23 on 5/11/2012 8:57:00 PM (view original):

Sorry, I'm not up on the sodomy laws.   Let's get back to immorality.  Many people think incest is immoral.  Many people think homosexuality is immoral.  Why is one legal?

Maybe morality isn't the only criteria for legality

If gengxcon and hissis, both consenting adults, are willing to risk pregnancy/deformed babies, how is that different than two dudes, consenting adults, willing to risk AIDS?

Do you actually want to sign your name to such a dumb question? I'll answer if you like, but I'll give you chance to take it back first, considering how multi-layered with stupidity that question is.

Sure.  I'll lay out a scenario for you.  You tell me the problem.

Your mother puts you in a trash can when you're an infant because you're an annoying bastard.   The trashman finds you and raises you as his own.  He never mentions finding you in a smelly trash can.

25 years later, you meet a girl.   You date, you fall in love.   Turns out, your mother and father decided to try to make a better baby after you were discarded.   You're now dating, and nailing, your sister.     Incest is illegal.  

What's the difference between you and your sis in this situation and two dudes in love, morally speaking?

That didn't even make sense. How many mulligans do I have to give you?

Sure it did.   You're screwing your sister, you had planned on getting married and it's illegal.  

Explain, in 500 words or less, how that situation is different than two men wishing to be married.    And "The law says it's illegal" isn't going to cut it. 

Hello?

This still makes no sense. Can anyone translate from Mike to English? Tec? Padna? Anyone?

I'll take that as "I don't like the question.   Two strangers who meet and fall in love would be the same as two strangers who meet and fall in love from a moral standpoint(assuming you don't object to homosexuality) so I'd going to pretend I don't understand." 

We're done here.

You're asking a completely irrelevant question. I can play that game, too:


Some people think eaing meat is immoral. Some people think rooting for the Yankees is immoral. What's the difference?


Now, pay attention.

Posted by genghisxcon on 5/13/2012 12:59:00 AM:

To give this some direction, quit telling me that many people think X or Y is immoral. Tell me why you do.






Until you quit evading this question, you are wasting my time with pointless drivel.

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/15/2012 7:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jrd_x on 5/15/2012 5:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/15/2012 5:08:00 PM (view original):
If your right can be revoked or denied, it doesn't feel like a right.    If you've been paying attention, you'd know that I've said, repeatedly, that your "rights" are what the governing body says they are when they say they are.   You can't just scream "I KNOW MY RIGHTS" and think anyone cares. 

I don't care if you think it  doesn't "feel" like a right.  Voting is a right.

I don't care what you think.  If it can be revoked or denied, I don't care if you think it's your right or not.    It's your right until someone with more authority says it isn't.

I don't make judgements on lifestyle choices.   I don't care about the lifestyle choices when it doesn't affect me.

Now, if you would answer the question.   I'll tighten it up for you:

Sure.  I'll lay out a scenario for you.  You tell me the problem.

Your mother puts you in a trash can when you're an infant because you're an annoying bastard.   The trashman finds you and raises you as his own.  He never mentions finding you in a smelly trash can.

25 years later, you meet a girl.   You date, you fall in love.   Turns out, your mother and father decided to try to make a better baby after you were discarded.   You're now dating, and nailing, your sister.     Incest is illegal.   

What's the difference between you and your sis in this situation and two dudes in love, morally speaking?