Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 6:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 6/25/2018 6:05:00 PM (view original):
"Due Process for those in this country legally. Duh."

Not Duh...........Due Process is far all............. or none!
Get it? Sacred Law!

This is the definition.

"fair treatment through the normal judicial system, especially as a citizen's entitlement"

If you want to change it then we can debate.

That definition isn’t the law. The law is, everyone on US soil gets due process.

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 6:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/25/2018 6:03:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 5:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/25/2018 4:31:00 PM (view original):
Immigrants being arrested is not rare. Not sure what you’re talking about.

No your specific example is. Don’t play coy. You do that again and we are done conversing.

Is there an emoji for the jerk-off motion?

Any *specific* example is going to be relatively rare.

The likelihood the the border patrol would witness a US citizen crossing the border in a remote area without ID is obviously small. The point wasn’t that it would happen often, the point was that it could happen, period.

Without due process, that person is screwed. Due process protects us all.

Thank you for admitting your example sucked. So how would you fix it? Due Process is not working. People are not deterred. You don't want a wall. What do you want? Open borders?

I am saying for people who cross illegally we send them back. Period. Or we build the wall. Or we find a 3rd lever because what is happening currently is not working.

The flaw in your premise is that due process *does* work. What makes you think it doesn’t?

Yes, and I think we need to amend it when it comes to illegal border crossings. You disagree.

Some are pro choice others pro life.

I mean, I don't see you offering any ideas or solutions. Just complaints.

My only complaint is that the president of the United States is arguing that we should eliminate due process.

What you don’t seem to grasp is that there is no such thing as selective elimination of due process.

Either everyone gets it or no one gets it.

Posted by bad_luck on 6/25/2018 6:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 6:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/25/2018 6:03:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 5:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/25/2018 4:31:00 PM (view original):
Immigrants being arrested is not rare. Not sure what you’re talking about.

No your specific example is. Don’t play coy. You do that again and we are done conversing.

Is there an emoji for the jerk-off motion?

Any *specific* example is going to be relatively rare.

The likelihood the the border patrol would witness a US citizen crossing the border in a remote area without ID is obviously small. The point wasn’t that it would happen often, the point was that it could happen, period.

Without due process, that person is screwed. Due process protects us all.

Thank you for admitting your example sucked. So how would you fix it? Due Process is not working. People are not deterred. You don't want a wall. What do you want? Open borders?

I am saying for people who cross illegally we send them back. Period. Or we build the wall. Or we find a 3rd lever because what is happening currently is not working.

The flaw in your premise is that due process *does* work. What makes you think it doesn’t?

It is not a deterrent. People still insist on trying to sneak in illegally. Premise being the US is soft and will take them in.

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 6:33:00 PM (view original):
Yes, and I think we need to amend it when it comes to illegal border crossings. You disagree.

Some are pro choice others pro life.

I mean, I don't see you offering any ideas or solutions. Just complaints.

I wish we had a Great Wall visible from space with the naked eye...but, even if we did, those who slip through illegally would still be entitled to the due process the Constitution grants them. We can certainly amend the, what are they, the 5th and 14th amendments? Until we do, we can't ignore those clauses.

Right. So the POTUS went with a radical change. The Left screamed foul...so did many on the right and the mods. So now he'll say, let me build the wall. Current system is not a deterrent.

If it were. Caravans would not be trying to enter in here.

Posted by gomiami1972 on 6/25/2018 6:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 6:33:00 PM (view original):
Yes, and I think we need to amend it when it comes to illegal border crossings. You disagree.

Some are pro choice others pro life.

I mean, I don't see you offering any ideas or solutions. Just complaints.

I wish we had a Great Wall visible from space with the naked eye...but, even if we did, those who slip through illegally would still be entitled to the due process the Constitution grants them. We can certainly amend the, what are they, the 5th and 14th amendments? Until we do, we can't ignore those clauses.

In terms of the wall. Perhaps not but as I said doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of insanity. We have had this issue with the southern border for decades. Time to try something new IMO.

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 6:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/25/2018 6:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 6:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/25/2018 6:03:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 5:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/25/2018 4:31:00 PM (view original):
Immigrants being arrested is not rare. Not sure what you’re talking about.

No your specific example is. Don’t play coy. You do that again and we are done conversing.

Is there an emoji for the jerk-off motion?

Any *specific* example is going to be relatively rare.

The likelihood the the border patrol would witness a US citizen crossing the border in a remote area without ID is obviously small. The point wasn’t that it would happen often, the point was that it could happen, period.

Without due process, that person is screwed. Due process protects us all.

Thank you for admitting your example sucked. So how would you fix it? Due Process is not working. People are not deterred. You don't want a wall. What do you want? Open borders?

I am saying for people who cross illegally we send them back. Period. Or we build the wall. Or we find a 3rd lever because what is happening currently is not working.

The flaw in your premise is that due process *does* work. What makes you think it doesn’t?

It is not a deterrent. People still insist on trying to sneak in illegally. Premise being the US is soft and will take them in.

Due process is a protection, not a deterrent. That’s the point.

Posted by bad_luck on 6/25/2018 6:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 6:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/25/2018 6:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 6:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/25/2018 6:03:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 5:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/25/2018 4:31:00 PM (view original):
Immigrants being arrested is not rare. Not sure what you’re talking about.

No your specific example is. Don’t play coy. You do that again and we are done conversing.

Is there an emoji for the jerk-off motion?

Any *specific* example is going to be relatively rare.

The likelihood the the border patrol would witness a US citizen crossing the border in a remote area without ID is obviously small. The point wasn’t that it would happen often, the point was that it could happen, period.

Without due process, that person is screwed. Due process protects us all.

Thank you for admitting your example sucked. So how would you fix it? Due Process is not working. People are not deterred. You don't want a wall. What do you want? Open borders?

I am saying for people who cross illegally we send them back. Period. Or we build the wall. Or we find a 3rd lever because what is happening currently is not working.

The flaw in your premise is that due process *does* work. What makes you think it doesn’t?

It is not a deterrent. People still insist on trying to sneak in illegally. Premise being the US is soft and will take them in.

Due process is a protection, not a deterrent. That’s the point.

This is 100% correct and bad_luck wins the unblock award. Border patrol, walls, etc. are deterrents. Sending someone back to their home country AFTER due process is a deterrent. Due process itself is neither a deterrent nor an incentive.

I think I have the answer if anyone would care to hear it.

I don't

Posted by tangplay on 6/25/2018 7:53:00 PM (view original):
I don't

lol, I was just going to ignore it. He is asking if people want to hear his opinion on his own thread. Whatever..just state your mind and dispense with the games.

ok