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Posted by moy23 on 11/20/2014 7:24:00 PM (view original):
Funny how

Bush gets us into the 'worst recession since the great depression' and the economy is now better its all because of Obama....

But

Bush gets us into Iraq and under Obama its gotten unthinkably worse... But its Bush's fault we're there.

Um...I don't see how that's difficult to understand. First, we have to ignore the fact that it's dumb to give 100% credit or blame to the president for things like the economy and violence in other countries.

But, if we are going to do that, we have to look at each situation on its own. Bush didn't decide to **** up the economy. He did decide to invade Iraq. Unfucking the economy is a plus for Obama. Leaving Iraq is just attempting to mitigate the massive fucktard decision to go in in the first place. No plus for Obama. Negative for Bush.

Leaving Iraq is just attempting to mitigate the massive fucktard decision to go in in the first place.

Wrong.  You can't go into another country, **** up it's stability, and then say, "Oops, sorry, we shouldn't have done this, bye bye."

Going into Iraq in the first place was 110% wrong.  Done for the wrong reasons and at the wrong time.  That's on Bush and his administration.

But once you start something like we started in Iraq, we have a moral obligation to finish it, i.e. leave it at least in a politically stable state.  Obama didn't do that.  He just pandered to his electorate to fulfill "popular" election promises made to get votes.  To try to absolve Obama for leaving Iraq the way he did, which led to the clusterfuck that's going on there now, is beyond massively retarded. 

Congrats.

Unless there is no option for stability. We were there for almost a decade with no real shot at progress. The Iraqis didn't want us there and they weren't going to recognize any power structure we tried to set up. Leaving was the best option for America.

wait - we are leaving? didn't obama just send another 1500 americans to Iraq and request another $5 billion to pay for it. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/08/world/middleeast/us-to-send-1500-more-troops-to-iraq.html?_r=0

So you're a fan of Obama's decision to go back?

I'm not a fan of anything this guy decides. everything he touches turns to **** - he's a poor leader. i'm just reminding you that his attempt to, as you put it, 'leaving was the best option', now has americans going back to fight a bigger problem (ISIS)

So you're saying we shouldn't go back? Or should we go back?

At this point they are both poor options IMO because of Obama's incompetence. Get out and the Iraqi people are screwed... Get Obama involved and they are screwed. We should have never left as republicans and military strategists suggested at the time but its too late to live in the past so yes, we should try and get some support from other countries and go back in. Bush annihilated suddams trained army in something like 3 days - we can do the same to isis - breaking them and quelling their recruiting efforts. Seems Afghanis are fairing much better than Iraqis because we still have 24,000 troops there. I'm not a fan of going back in but its the right thing to do.

Bottom line is Obama 100% put himself in this position. Not Bush. Bush had left a relatively stable Iraq that had citizens voting in multiple elections. Wasn't perfect but it was heading towards some semblance of stability. Now?

Posted by bad_luck on 11/20/2014 11:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 11/20/2014 10:29:00 PM (view original):
More US troops died in Iraq and Afghanistan on Obama's watch than on Bush's watch.

As Casey Stengel said "You can look it up!"

So, you're saying Obama should have pulled the troops out of Iraq sooner?

Posted by bad_luck on 11/20/2014 11:18:00 PM (view original):
And you also really love sucking off Bush. Are you sure you aren't actually Sean Hannity?

Posted by moy23 on 11/20/2014 11:41:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by bad_luck on 11/20/2014 9:06:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by moy23 on 11/20/2014 7:24:00 PM (view original):
Funny how

Bush gets us into the 'worst recession since the great depression' and the economy is now better its all because of Obama....

But

Bush gets us into Iraq and under Obama its gotten unthinkably worse... But its Bush's fault we're there.

Um...I don't see how that's difficult to understand. First, we have to ignore the fact that it's dumb to give 100% credit or blame to the president for things like the economy and violence in other countries.

But, if we are going to do that, we have to look at each situation on its own. Bush didn't decide to **** up the economy. He did decide to invade Iraq. Unfucking the economy is a plus for Obama. Leaving Iraq is just attempting to mitigate the massive fucktard decision to go in in the first place. No plus for Obama. Negative for Bush.

Leaving Iraq is just attempting to mitigate the massive fucktard decision to go in in the first place.

Wrong.  You can't go into another country, **** up it's stability, and then say, "Oops, sorry, we shouldn't have done this, bye bye."

Going into Iraq in the first place was 110% wrong.  Done for the wrong reasons and at the wrong time.  That's on Bush and his administration.

But once you start something like we started in Iraq, we have a moral obligation to finish it, i.e. leave it at least in a politically stable state.  Obama didn't do that.  He just pandered to his electorate to fulfill "popular" election promises made to get votes.  To try to absolve Obama for leaving Iraq the way he did, which led to the clusterfuck that's going on there now, is beyond massively retarded. 

Congrats.

Unless there is no option for stability. We were there for almost a decade with no real shot at progress. The Iraqis didn't want us there and they weren't going to recognize any power structure we tried to set up. Leaving was the best option for America.

wait - we are leaving? didn't obama just send another 1500 americans to Iraq and request another $5 billion to pay for it. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/08/world/middleeast/us-to-send-1500-more-troops-to-iraq.html?_r=0

So you're a fan of Obama's decision to go back?

I'm not a fan of anything this guy decides. everything he touches turns to **** - he's a poor leader. i'm just reminding you that his attempt to, as you put it, 'leaving was the best option', now has americans going back to fight a bigger problem (ISIS)

So you're saying we shouldn't go back? Or should we go back?

At this point they are both poor options IMO because of Obama's incompetence. Get out and the Iraqi people are screwed... Get Obama involved and they are screwed. We should have never left as republicans and military strategists suggested at the time but its too late to live in the past so yes, we should try and get some support from other countries and go back in. Bush annihilated suddams trained army in something like 3 days - we can do the same to isis - breaking them and quelling their recruiting efforts. Seems Afghanis are fairing much better than Iraqis because we still have 24,000 troops there. I'm not a fan of going back in but its the right thing to do.

Bottom line is Obama 100% put himself in this position. Not Bush. Bush had left a relatively stable Iraq that had citizens voting in multiple elections. Wasn't perfect but it was heading towards some semblance of stability. Now?

Oh I get it. You just want to ***** about Obama, no matter what he does.

Very insightful response.

I take it you being the big hearted caring liberal you are suggest Obama not send troops back in so that Isis can continue to spike children's heads on poles and murder anyone who doesn't believe in their faith simply because they aren't Americans and it's not our problem, right?

Posted by MikeT23 on 11/21/2014 8:22:00 AM (view original):
Because machete murders are a threat to national security?

taint is being a dick.   He knows this.  It was covered yesterday.

He should be celebrating the Raiders win.   It's not like they've had another one in over a year.

From CNN.com:

The one-two punch from Boehner marks a new era of tension between Republicans who will officially take over Congress in January, and the President who has signaled that despite his party's losses in the midterms, he plans to proceed with his agenda without GOP cooperation.

Ruling by Executive Tantrum, because he doesn't want to try to play nicely with others.