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Posted by bad_luck on 4/5/2016 10:25:00 AM (view original):
So you admit that Trump has no idea what he's talking about?

On some of the specifics, sure. I think he's spot on with his America First world view which includes a border wall, better infrastructure, better trade deals, and enforcing existing law. I also like his backbone, and that he's not politically correct. He'll need both to make necessary changes to Washington-as-usual.

If order to effect change, you typically have to earn the respect of those you want to change.

Trump's "power" in the business world has been derived from fear due to his bullying and strong arm tactics, not from any level of respect.

How do you think that management style would work in DC should he (theoretically) be elected, especially after what would be a year long campaign of divisiveness and controversy?

Better than Ted Cruz and his all or nothing tactics. That's just like Obama.

And Trumps power in the business world is more about leverage and negotiations than bullying and strong arm tactics.

Trumps "leverage" comes from his money and his threats that "you won't get any of it unless you give me what I want".

Do you think he'll be bringing his personal checkbook into negotiations with Congress, or with foreign leaders?

He'll be bringing a bigger checkbook... The US Government. We pay for everything world-wide, time to get something back for all the money we spend. Think America First!!!!

Funny how you should criticize politicians "spending others people's money" when just two days ago you bragged about how your boy will be able to do just that as President.

No no no no no.... Not to spend it.... to LEVERAGE it for better deals. That's how money and negations work. For instance - If my wealthiest client tries to leave me I will do almost anything to keep him. If the client has little to offer me they can go on their merry way. America has a very big checkbook. Lots of leverage... HUGE leverage!!!

I assume you want to retain your wealthiest client because he's one of your better customers in terms of buying goods or services from you.

Trump waving America's checkbook around doesn't give him any leverage unless he's actually writing some checks, i.e. spending America's (i.e. "other people's") money.

Posted by moy23 on 4/7/2016 11:56:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 4/7/2016 11:52:00 AM (view original):
I said there's a good/bad way to allocate resources. I don't think it's rocket science. I imagine, if Cruz was spending HIS own money, he'd take more care in how he's spending it. Do you think Cruz/Hillary are incapable of resource allocation? Are you sure Trump won't be a little less tight when the money isn't his?

Flip that question around - How sure are you that Cruz and the politicians will spend wisely once in office? What have they done to PROVE they even can do that? Donald has a different mindset when spending, and dealing, than Washington politicians. I'm willing to take the chance that he won't learn how to spend like a politician overnight. Behaviors take a long time to change.

Of course I'm not sure of that.

That said, with no track record as a politician, Trump is a wild card.

Let's put it this way: I've been doing the trucking thing for awhile. As an employee, it was easy for me to agree to take 5-10% less from a customer in negotiations. I was being paid a salary and, as long as trucks were moving, my employer was pretty happy. As a business owner, that changed. If my profit is 12%, there is no way in hell I'm taking a 10% rate cut. 2% is better than 0% but there is risk involved in every load. It's better to sit than work, IMO.

Applying that to Trump, if his employer(US citizens) are clamoring for him to do something that he does not see as fiscally responsible, would he? We don't know because he has no experience with that situation.

Posted by moy23 on 4/7/2016 8:33:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 4/7/2016 8:27:00 AM (view original):
I don't think that's what was said. I think they're implying that the well is running dry and Trump is trying to cut costs.

Then why is he hiring people to grab delegates right now? Maybe he's running his campaign like a business, using his own money.... Rather than like a politician posting away other people's money. Notice how little the FRONTRUNNER BUSINESSMAN has spent so far? Any difference from the politicians? #relevantbusinessexperience

I'm not surprised if Trump doesn't already know this, but Florida is kind of important for the general election. Other campaigns spend a ton of money on data analysis alone to try to get just the slightest edge there. Trump, on the other hand, is laying people off and putting an intern in charge.

Posted by moy23 on 4/7/2016 11:26:00 AM (view original):
TRUMP = BETTER DEALS! HE CAN NEGOTIATE AND MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!

Exactly, He's going to cut $300 billion a year from the $77 billion medicare prescription drug budget.

#trumpmath

Posted by moy23 on 4/7/2016 11:26:00 AM (view original):
TRUMP = BETTER DEALS! HE CAN NEGOTIATE AND MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!

Oh, I get it now! Trump is Harry Ellis!!

How did that turn out?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cBsdgJcT28

Posted by tecwrg on 4/7/2016 12:00:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by bad_luck on 4/5/2016 10:25:00 AM (view original):
So you admit that Trump has no idea what he's talking about?

On some of the specifics, sure. I think he's spot on with his America First world view which includes a border wall, better infrastructure, better trade deals, and enforcing existing law. I also like his backbone, and that he's not politically correct. He'll need both to make necessary changes to Washington-as-usual.

If order to effect change, you typically have to earn the respect of those you want to change.

Trump's "power" in the business world has been derived from fear due to his bullying and strong arm tactics, not from any level of respect.

How do you think that management style would work in DC should he (theoretically) be elected, especially after what would be a year long campaign of divisiveness and controversy?

Better than Ted Cruz and his all or nothing tactics. That's just like Obama.

And Trumps power in the business world is more about leverage and negotiations than bullying and strong arm tactics.

Trumps "leverage" comes from his money and his threats that "you won't get any of it unless you give me what I want".

Do you think he'll be bringing his personal checkbook into negotiations with Congress, or with foreign leaders?

He'll be bringing a bigger checkbook... The US Government. We pay for everything world-wide, time to get something back for all the money we spend. Think America First!!!!

Funny how you should criticize politicians "spending others people's money" when just two days ago you bragged about how your boy will be able to do just that as President.

No no no no no.... Not to spend it.... to LEVERAGE it for better deals. That's how money and negations work. For instance - If my wealthiest client tries to leave me I will do almost anything to keep him. If the client has little to offer me they can go on their merry way. America has a very big checkbook. Lots of leverage... HUGE leverage!!!

I assume you want to retain your wealthiest client because he's one of your better customers in terms of buying goods or services from you.

Trump waving America's checkbook around doesn't give him any leverage unless he's actually writing some checks, i.e. spending America's (i.e. "other people's") money.

What's your point?

If your asking is Trump going to spend America's money the answer is yes. If you are asking whether Trump will use that spending as leverage for better deals that help America the answer is also yes.


For instance - I spend my employers money on my top clients taking them out to dinner or golfing with them... That's one reason they do business with me, of many.... But it's also why we don't have to give away the business by charging the lowest fees or giving out the best rates in the market. Btw I also spend that money at another client's business so I am wisely spending that money to maximize the return. Two clients are happy with me spending the same amount money. Also - if say a restaurant isn't my client anymore I stop spending my money there and go elsewhere. Same goes for printers, promotional items, etc. Sometimes I spend money on potential clients. Leveraging that money to get their business because in the end the money I'm spending is peanuts to the amount my company makes from having their business. See how that works? Using money as leverage.

In Washington they just spend money, good money, after bad ideas - typically to hook up their buddies and the lobbyists. America gets nothing back when politicians spend our money. Nothing. Trump will make great deals for America!

Posted by MikeT23 on 4/7/2016 12:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 4/7/2016 11:56:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 4/7/2016 11:52:00 AM (view original):
I said there's a good/bad way to allocate resources. I don't think it's rocket science. I imagine, if Cruz was spending HIS own money, he'd take more care in how he's spending it. Do you think Cruz/Hillary are incapable of resource allocation? Are you sure Trump won't be a little less tight when the money isn't his?

Flip that question around - How sure are you that Cruz and the politicians will spend wisely once in office? What have they done to PROVE they even can do that? Donald has a different mindset when spending, and dealing, than Washington politicians. I'm willing to take the chance that he won't learn how to spend like a politician overnight. Behaviors take a long time to change.

Of course I'm not sure of that.

That said, with no track record as a politician, Trump is a wild card.

Let's put it this way: I've been doing the trucking thing for awhile. As an employee, it was easy for me to agree to take 5-10% less from a customer in negotiations. I was being paid a salary and, as long as trucks were moving, my employer was pretty happy. As a business owner, that changed. If my profit is 12%, there is no way in hell I'm taking a 10% rate cut. 2% is better than 0% but there is risk involved in every load. It's better to sit than work, IMO.

Applying that to Trump, if his employer(US citizens) are clamoring for him to do something that he does not see as fiscally responsible, would he? We don't know because he has no experience with that situation.

Total wild card. Not disagreeing.

In your scenario, if you were always an employee you may not even realize 2% is a bum deal because you've always spent other people's money. You have business experience being an owner spending your own money... You as a business owner realize that there is potential to get somewhere between 2-12% and you know the risks of accepting a 2% load. That's the experience Trump brings to the table... It's why a businessman like Mitt can turn the Utah Olympics profitable. You say experience in the business world is irrelevant in politics. I disagree.... I see politicians as people that have always spent other peoples money and don't know the value of a dollar, at least the way you and I value a dollar.

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Posted by bad_luck on 4/5/2016 10:25:00 AM (view original):
So you admit that Trump has no idea what he's talking about?

On some of the specifics, sure. I think he's spot on with his America First world view which includes a border wall, better infrastructure, better trade deals, and enforcing existing law. I also like his backbone, and that he's not politically correct. He'll need both to make necessary changes to Washington-as-usual.

If order to effect change, you typically have to earn the respect of those you want to change.

Trump's "power" in the business world has been derived from fear due to his bullying and strong arm tactics, not from any level of respect.

How do you think that management style would work in DC should he (theoretically) be elected, especially after what would be a year long campaign of divisiveness and controversy?

Better than Ted Cruz and his all or nothing tactics. That's just like Obama.

And Trumps power in the business world is more about leverage and negotiations than bullying and strong arm tactics.

Trumps "leverage" comes from his money and his threats that "you won't get any of it unless you give me what I want".

Do you think he'll be bringing his personal checkbook into negotiations with Congress, or with foreign leaders?

He'll be bringing a bigger checkbook... The US Government. We pay for everything world-wide, time to get something back for all the money we spend. Think America First!!!!

Funny how you should criticize politicians "spending others people's money" when just two days ago you bragged about how your boy will be able to do just that as President.

No no no no no.... Not to spend it.... to LEVERAGE it for better deals. That's how money and negations work. For instance - If my wealthiest client tries to leave me I will do almost anything to keep him. If the client has little to offer me they can go on their merry way. America has a very big checkbook. Lots of leverage... HUGE leverage!!!

I assume you want to retain your wealthiest client because he's one of your better customers in terms of buying goods or services from you.

Trump waving America's checkbook around doesn't give him any leverage unless he's actually writing some checks, i.e. spending America's (i.e. "other people's") money.

What's your point?

If your asking is Trump going to spend America's money the answer is yes. If you are asking whether Trump will use that spending as leverage for better deals that help America the answer is also yes.


For instance - I spend my employers money on my top clients taking them out to dinner or golfing with them... That's one reason they do business with me, of many.... But it's also why we don't have to give away the business by charging the lowest fees or giving out the best rates in the market. Btw I also spend that money at another client's business so I am wisely spending that money to maximize the return. Two clients are happy with me spending the same amount money. Also - if say a restaurant isn't my client anymore I stop spending my money there and go elsewhere. Same goes for printers, promotional items, etc. Sometimes I spend money on potential clients. Leveraging that money to get their business because in the end the money I'm spending is peanuts to the amount my company makes from having their business. See how that works? Using money as leverage.

In Washington they just spend money, good money, after bad ideas - typically to hook up their buddies and the lobbyists. America gets nothing back when politicians spend our money. Nothing. Trump will make great deals for America!

You're truly delusional.

Simple question: what does Donald Trump care more about?

A) America
B) Donald Trump

C) Winning

He wants to win. His ego will hold him accountable to winning a lot for America - to make America great again. It's not about money for Trump imo, he's a 69 year old billionaire with a billion dollar company. It's about leaving the best damn legacy that any President has ever had..... Growing the Trump brand. The Trump family name.

And A and B aren't mutually exclusive. By delivering on making America great again.....he makes the Trump name great and I think that's more important to Trump than appeasing crony capitalism and washington lobbyists.

Posted by moy23 on 4/7/2016 3:15:00 PM (view original):
C) Winning

He wants to win. His ego will hold him accountable to winning a lot for America - to make America great again. It's not about money for Trump imo, he's a 69 year old billionaire with a billion dollar company. It's about leaving the best damn legacy that any President has ever had..... Growing the Trump brand. The Trump family name.

"C) Winning" is a lot closer to "B) Donald Trump" than it is to "A) America".

So in other words . . . Trump is no different than most other politicians in that he's basically in it for himself. The only difference is that he doesn't care about how big of an ******* he presents himself to be.

Thanks for the clarification.

Trump= one of the great con men of our time

moy= looks like a sucker to me

Posted by tecwrg on 4/7/2016 3:22:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 4/7/2016 3:15:00 PM (view original):
C) Winning

He wants to win. His ego will hold him accountable to winning a lot for America - to make America great again. It's not about money for Trump imo, he's a 69 year old billionaire with a billion dollar company. It's about leaving the best damn legacy that any President has ever had..... Growing the Trump brand. The Trump family name.

"C) Winning" is a lot closer to "B) Donald Trump" than it is to "A) America".

So in other words . . . Trump is no different than most other politicians in that he's basically in it for himself. The only difference is that he doesn't care about how big of an ******* he presents himself to be.

Thanks for the clarification.

A and B [and C] aren't mutually exclusive. By delivering [C] on making America [A] great again.....he makes the Trump name [B] great and I think that's more important to Trump than appeasing crony capitalism and washington lobbyists.

Thus by C) Winning for A) America, B) Trump will get what he wants - which is both - A better America and his Trump legacy. IMO it's not wrong for a President or anyone to care about their legacy. We all want to leave something behind.