I strongly disagree that Nazism is a less or equally dangerous idea as universal healthcare, Green New Deal, or multiculturalism (I don't think you disagree either). Anyone who disagrees is so misinformed that their opinions shouldn't have weight. The fact that this statement is even slightly controversial boggles my mind. I may be on the fence about universal healthcare and the green new deal, but at worst they are impractical, not destructive or dangerous.
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I find it funny when identity politics is ascribed to be a leftist idea, when in reality the alt-right revolves around identity.

Posted by strikeout26 on 4/12/2020 7:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 4/12/2020 5:52:00 PM (view original):
I don't bring up Charlottesville to demonize the right, or to say that it was indicative of Conservatism. However, I will demonize the alt-right, and I think that's where some of the Republican base is headed. Specifically, I refer to the Qultists and the OAN fanboys.

(And yes, I understand that you can replace "Conservatism" with "Liberalism" and "Alt-right" with "Progressivism" but the difference is that the alt right is actually dangerous. Furthermore, I reject the idea that antifa is even comparable to actual Nazi groups. For one, they are far less dangerous statistically, and secondly, they are reactionary. The nazis have a reactionary ideology, but if they gain strength, they would actually put policies in place.)

People who understand the 20th century understand how dangerous this post is. The radical leftist ideologies led to over 100 million deaths.

I'm referring to antifa, not Marxism. Antifa isn't really an ideology, it's not a political party or governing status. You can't really compare it to Nazism. And if you think progressivism is a "radical leftist ideology", you are out of your mind.

For what it's worth, I have self-identified multiple times as a social democrat, an ideology that's actually been put into practice and hasn't led to millions of deaths. Actual leftists call social democracy a "status quo ideology".

Please study Mao's China and the Soviet Union.

It's amazing how right Nietzsche was.

I agree that Mao's China and the Soviet union are bad. I have no idea how you brought the conversation to this point though. I have zero interest in defending Communism, and that wasn't remotely the point of my original post.

If you think social democracy is equivalent to the Soviet Union, then I have nothing for you.

"Furthermore, I reject the idea that antifa is even comparable to actual Nazi groups. For one, they are far less dangerous statistically, and secondly, they are reactionary."

When you compare the ideologies statistically (number of deaths), the radical left is more dangerous. I'm not defending the alt-right. They are evil, evil people. But if you think the radical left is milk toast, you have very little understanding of history.

Also, you will have to define social democracy. If you're referring to the nordic countries, they are capitalist with some social programs in place. The ideology that Bernie espouses is not a model of how those countries are run.

As far as I am aware, not all antifa members are communists. Antifa isn't really an ideology. Who identifies only with antifa like you could identify as a conservative, liberal, progressive, nazi, etc? What would an antifa leader look like? I absolutely agree that communism is dangerous. But my post wasn't defending communism.

Posted by strikeout26 on 4/12/2020 7:27:00 PM (view original):
Also, you will have to define social democracy. If you're referring to the nordic countries, they are capitalist with some social programs in place. The ideology that Bernie espouses is not a model of how those countries are run.

capitalist with some social programs in place

That's what social democracy is. Bernie is to the left of me. I acknowledge that capitalism has some inherent flaws, but I am a capitalist. I think Bernie could get away with saying he is a social democrat; in my opinion, he is on the fringe between social democrat and democratic socialism.

Bernie is left of Stalin! By the way, what hell are y'all doing over there in the democratic party? Can y'all not find a single viable candidate? You guys completely left my boy Andrew Yang in the dust.

Stalin was a sadistic drunk dictator who murdered people on a whim. Not really sure how you can compare him to Bernie.

Posted by strikeout26 on 4/12/2020 7:30:00 PM (view original):
Bernie is left of Stalin! By the way, what hell are y'all doing over there in the democratic party? Can y'all not find a single viable candidate? You guys completely left my boy Andrew Yang in the dust.

I was down with Yang too. Pretty sure he'll have his time when the party realizes that centrists can't win.

I'm pretty sure that you were joking with that first comment, but I'm concerned that you might not be.

Posted by Uofa2 on 4/12/2020 7:39:00 PM (view original):
Stalin was a sadistic drunk dictator who murdered people on a whim. Not really sure how you can compare him to Bernie.

To people on the right, everyone past Joe Biden is advocating for gulags and starvation.