In Boston they replaced the street name where Fenway is from Yawkey Way because Tom Yawkey (former owner) was a racist. Bleh. Don't care. But it does show how much more sensitive we have become as a society.

I think that moving monuments to "special" places or museums is the beginning of the slippery slope. This country needs to man up about "feelings" and let history be history. If, at one time, someone built a monument to a racist somewhere in the US, then it happened for a reason at that particular time in history. Moving it, or removing it, says nothing other than that we are too weak to stare our own history in the face. If you're offended by a statue, or a monument, or a plaque...then you probably are struggling with a lot of more important problems in the world. If those efforts are turned to education, we all win because the monuments take on a different meaning and show how we have grown as a society.

Posted by rsp777 on 1/30/2019 11:55:00 AM (view original):
Education is the only thing that changes the monument from "glorification" to knowledge of where we have been and overcome.

Eh? A statue of Artemis doesn't imply that people glorify Artemis, it just says we like wisdom. People's make mountains out of mole hills all the time (mostly the Left).

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Posted by cccp1014 on 1/30/2019 11:45:00 AM (view original):
Monuments are exactly how we view history. That is not even debatable.

No, it is not. It is how we glorify history.

Semantics.

A statue, building, or other structure erected to commemorate a famous or notable person or event.

Right. Commemorate is not the same as remember.

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Posted by rsp777 on 1/30/2019 11:55:00 AM (view original):
Education is the only thing that changes the monument from "glorification" to knowledge of where we have been and overcome.

Eh? A statue of Artemis doesn't imply that people glorify Artemis, it just says we like wisdom. People's make mountains out of mole hills all the time (mostly the Left).

I was countering the "glorification" that some suggest.

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Posted by rsp777 on 1/30/2019 11:55:00 AM (view original):
Education is the only thing that changes the monument from "glorification" to knowledge of where we have been and overcome.

Eh? A statue of Artemis doesn't imply that people glorify Artemis, it just says we like wisdom. People's make mountains out of mole hills all the time (mostly the Left).

A statue of a founder of the KKK says 'We like racism'

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Posted by rsp777 on 1/30/2019 11:55:00 AM (view original):
Education is the only thing that changes the monument from "glorification" to knowledge of where we have been and overcome.

Eh? A statue of Artemis doesn't imply that people glorify Artemis, it just says we like wisdom. People's make mountains out of mole hills all the time (mostly the Left).

A statue of a founder of the KKK says 'We like racism'

Is there such a statue? Where is it? I mean where it explicitly states that he founded the Klan.

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Posted by rsp777 on 1/30/2019 11:55:00 AM (view original):
Education is the only thing that changes the monument from "glorification" to knowledge of where we have been and overcome.

Eh? A statue of Artemis doesn't imply that people glorify Artemis, it just says we like wisdom. People's make mountains out of mole hills all the time (mostly the Left).

A statue of a founder of the KKK says 'We like racism'

It actually says "At one time, we liked racism." Again, you can't wipe away history. You can only change the perception of it.

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Posted by rsp777 on 1/30/2019 11:55:00 AM (view original):
Education is the only thing that changes the monument from "glorification" to knowledge of where we have been and overcome.

Eh? A statue of Artemis doesn't imply that people glorify Artemis, it just says we like wisdom. People's make mountains out of mole hills all the time (mostly the Left).

A statue of a founder of the KKK says 'We like racism'

Is there such a statue? Where is it? I mean where it explicitly states that he founded the Klan.

The statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest was removed last year from Tennessee.

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Posted by rsp777 on 1/30/2019 11:55:00 AM (view original):
Education is the only thing that changes the monument from "glorification" to knowledge of where we have been and overcome.

Eh? A statue of Artemis doesn't imply that people glorify Artemis, it just says we like wisdom. People's make mountains out of mole hills all the time (mostly the Left).

A statue of a founder of the KKK says 'We like racism'

Is there such a statue? Where is it? I mean where it explicitly states that he founded the Klan.

The statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest was removed last year from Tennessee.

Was that a statue of him as a klan member or war general? I don't think there are any statues with people dressed in hoods? Are there? Most are to war personnel. No?

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Posted by rsp777 on 1/30/2019 11:55:00 AM (view original):
Education is the only thing that changes the monument from "glorification" to knowledge of where we have been and overcome.

Eh? A statue of Artemis doesn't imply that people glorify Artemis, it just says we like wisdom. People's make mountains out of mole hills all the time (mostly the Left).

A statue of a founder of the KKK says 'We like racism'

It actually says "At one time, we liked racism." Again, you can't wipe away history. You can only change the perception of it.

That's just not how most people view monuments, and it certainly wasn't the intent by the people who put up the monuments.

Pyramids were built by slaves. Should they be taken down? Eh? I don't like this line of thinking.

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Posted by tangplay on 1/29/2019 7:35:00 PM (view original):
I still am wary of the private sector.

The blessing and curse of the private sector is that the goal is only to make money. But not every institution should serve to make money, namely humanitarian ones, like prisons and universities.

Tldr - if a humanitarian group has 'for profit' in front of it, it usually isn't great.

Also I don't mind big government as much as everyone else.

You don't for public universities make money? Like CCCP, not for profit is nothing more than a tax designation. I agree with you that I would rather give to the Salvation Army or Habitat for Humanity over Goodwill any day. I trust "not for profit" charity organizations more as well. These are the choices that a free market provide us.

As far as big government, remember your history when you say this. Almost every government in history has become tyrannical at some point. The more power you give to government, the easier you make it for them.

I believe in the free market for businesses. I don't believe in Communism, obviously. I don't think the point of universities and prisons should be to make money off of 'consumers'. Those should be run humanely by the government.

I don't think a single president can completely overthrow our democracy in America, so the people will get a say in who runs our government, and I can take that risk. I don't support a bigger or smaller government, I support a better government.

To your first point, clarify for me, when you say that "(universities) should be run humanely by the government", are you saying that we shouldn't have private colleges?

If you don't think that America can become tyrannical, read about Germany prior to Hitler (I will actually attach an article on this for you) and Mussolini. There are quite a few more. It would be beneficial for you to learn about them. Our founders wanted a small government with the power in the hands of the citizenry for a reason. The larger that we grow government and the more influence that we give it on our lives, the closer we come to repeating history. "A better government" is very subjective and doesn't create a guarantee against tyranny. This is why I warn you against comedians trying to be political commentators like Jon Stewart. They don't know what the hell they are talking about and people soak up what they say as fact. It's very dangerous.

It's sad that our public (most private as well) institutions fail to teach our youth true history and teach revisionist history. It is going to lead us down a very bad road. England is a little different as they are a Monarchy (constitutional monarchy now), but read about King Henry VIII and his daughter Elizabeth's reign. This is what happens when you give government too much power.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimpowell/2013/02/05/how-dictators-come-to-power-in-a-democracy/#72653a617ff7

the government can't do what they are supposed to do very well, but you want to give them more to do, tang? How does that make sense?

Lol. Thanks Wylie.

****, gone for an evening and I missed so much.

As much as I dislike RSP, he is making my point really well. Tang, read what he is saying. It makes a lot sense.