The only times I can remember seeing a starter come in the game in real life, were mop up situations.

Quote: Originally Posted By boogerlips on 12/14/2009Also, if you have more than one starter that is at 100%, but your bullpen is fatigued, then you ought to sit down with a calculator and reassess your pitch counts

This will for sure fix your problem.

Quote: Originally Posted By crazystengel on 12/14/2009If you have a SP at 100%, and he isn't starting the current or next game, then he should be in the bullpen (if you want him used in relief, that is).

Thanks for the input crazystengel but I respectfully disagree. What is the point of the "use in relief" box in the advanced settings?....I thought it was to alleviate the micromanagement involved with what you are suggesting. I have used this "use in relief" box with many of my teams in the past and have never had a problem with a starting pitcher not coming into a game - this is the only time - this has to do with the mop up guy not getting pulled - I think you're confusing the issue with the individual settings....he is supposed to come into the game in relief - why didn't he?

Quote: Originally Posted By thunder1008 on 12/15/2009
I think you're expecting Sparky to do too much of your own thinking. Sparky isn't the "manager" of your team -- you are. Sparky is just a numbers-cruncher for the SIM gods (no offense, Sparky).

It's like being "a little big pregnant" or putting drops of colored dye into a vat of water. Once you have designated a pitcher as a Mop Up with an unlimited pitch count and an "average" pull setting, you have set in motion an entropic series of events that carries through to a logical conclusion for that particular game.

Do you really want Sparky to re-assess the wisdom of designating your pitcher to be a Mop-up with an unlimited PC based on unfolding events and override your own initial decision? You designated your pitcher to come into a "hopelessly lost" game and close it out as the Mopup. Do you really want Sparky to make the determination that the game is no longer "hopelessly lost" and override your initial setting?

You give Sparky both explicit and implicit instructions. When you designate a Mop-up pitcher with unlimited PC, it seems that you're really saying that you want that pitcher to come in and finish up that game, however long it takes, as soon as you're down by whatever number of runs. You're not saying that you want him to finish up the game "unless..."

Under your logic, Sparky would have the ability to override all of our decisions about who we designate to be starters, closers, etc. based on changing events in a way other than according to our own settings, and I don't want him to substitute "his" judgment for mine, however flawed mine may be.

As a relative newbie to WIS who always wants to learn more, I would love to see contrarian23's rough decision hierarchy algorithm if you have time.

thunder you won't know what you're talking about.....read the initial post. I had a big lead that was closed to 1 run. At some point the mop up should be pulled - I"m pretty sure we all agree on that - and if we don't then that's another issue entirely.

Quote: Originally Posted By boogerlips on 12/15/2009
The only times I can remember seeing a starter come in the game in real life, were mop up situations.

irrelevant

lol

Quote: Originally Posted By mildnhazy on 12/15/2009
I'm irrelevant.

Yah, you're no Boogerlips. Thats for sure! But hang in there pal! Once you realize that your opinions are merely your opinions and that you are going to have to adapt, you'll look back at this thread and reread all of the lovely advice people gave you and you'll appreciate it. You heart will grow a size and a half and you will become slightly less irrelevant! Woohoo!

Thanks "boogerlips" - you've been very helpful.

This topic is about how the sim works and/or should work.....no need to make this a personal matter.

I have yet to hear from someone who has had something intelligent to say about this subject other than bardin and contrarian.

Quote: Originally Posted By mildnhazy on 12/15/2009

Thanks booger - you've been very helpful.

I have yet to hear from someone who has had something intelligent to say about this subject other than bardin and contrarian.

Those two statements seem to contradict each other. You might even say that it was unintelligent.

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boogerlips do you want to actually have a discussion about this because I'm not sure if you have the ability to follow and I hate wasting my time.

You've wasted everyone elses time you selfish little git. Lots of long winded responses just for your benefit and your response is that people "don't know what they are talking about." They're "irrelevant". I think this forum would be a lot better off if you didn't waste any more of your time here. Thanks.

Quote: Originally Posted By boogerlips on 12/15/2009You've wasted everyone elses time you selfish little git. Lots of long winded responses just for your benefit and your response is that people "don't know what they are talking about." They're "irrelevant". I think this forum would be a lot better off if you didn't waste any more of your time here. Thanks

pot meet kettle.

MnH, I sent you sitemail on this in more detail, but in short, I agree that something should be tweaked. Simply: If a starter that isn't starting the next game has a use-as-reliever option set, then that starter should be ranked higher than a mopup pitcher. I would expect that the starter in that situation would be equivalent to say, a Long B.

In that case, if the game gets close, the mopup should be pulled in favor of that starter, just as if there was another pitcher available in the pen that was set at long B.

I realize that a manager could cause the same behavior to occur by simply putting that starter in the bullpen with a Long B setting, but that would mean that the manager has to micromanage the team on a game-by-game basis. That shouldn't be necessary. This tweak should be made, and I think it would be easy to do.