Even simply from a business perspective, WIS really missed out on a great opportunity.  There has never been as much interest in an NBA off-season as this one with fans everywhere dreaming about potential lineups with the free agent roulet leading up to "the Decision."  They really could have picked up scores of new gamers.  And doing a major fix, though needed, wouldn't have been necessary to capitalize on the interest.  All it would have taken was the release of 09-10 players and a bit of Fox-driven promo.  Fix the other issues later, the current unrealistic inflated stats might even have worked in their favor for a time.  It would take awhile for the newbies to figure out that Peja is dollar for dollar the most valuable player in history and Troy Murphy is the greatest lockdown defender of all-time.  But by the time they started getting disgruntled, viola, WIS could release the master fix that the rest of us have been waiting on for, what, three years now? 

Completely agreed...if there was any year to get the players out on time...this is it. I mean hell, I was even running a Bosh, Wade, James Heat team on NBA 2K5 just to see how they'd play out a career together, and that was entering their second year, just because of the magnitude of what happened.

With this said, are any of us surprised by another WIS turnover?

congrats.  You just killed the UPL. 

20-year progressives are not exactly common, are they?

I'm pretty irate atm.

Posted by ashamael on 8/3/2010 5:17:00 AM (view original):
congrats.  You just killed the UPL. 

20-year progressives are not exactly common, are they?

I'm pretty irate atm.

No kidding. We were all ready to go a month and a half ago. Good job WIS.. All my players were peaking at the same time, even the bench guys. Payton, Ewing, Big Ben, Mookie, Durant, English, Jayson Williams, Peja. Went from 30 some wins to 54, won the division and made the conference finals last season after sucking *** since the redraft 5 seasons ago. I even traded the 2nd pick for Peja so he would peak w/ the others, for crying out loud. Was seriously looking for a chance to dethrone Team Wilt next season.

Think WIS is gonna gimme any credits for those 4 seasons of suck? Yeah, right. That's 40 bucks down the tubes because I was stupid to invest in the future of a great league on a pretty good website with absolutely terrible service.

After this, why would anybody in their right mind want to join a progressive league ever again? I mean, unless you luck out and someone with a very good team leaves you're gonna have to take your chances with any kind of rebuilding project and be lucky that the league won't die when your team is ready to rock.

They have enough time & money to post on Facebook and Twitter every hour, but can't get this SIM done?   NBA is TOAST.

If you're bored and have time.

http://whatifsports.com/knowledgebase/TicketDetails.aspx?tid=93701

won't let me read it.  Have to log in your name apparently.

Dammit. Ok hang on.

just copy and past it here sly

I keep trying but it ends up posting a blank page. Gimme a minute.

#93701
Status: - In Progress
It's Just Business B1tches (NBA33859)

Date
User
8/1/2010 8:24 PM
slymonium
http://whatifsports.com/NBA/boxscore.asp?GameID=7432730&nomenu=1&teamfee=9.95

Please review the box score and tell me why John Stockton was subbed in at SG. He is not listed anywhere in my depth chart. I have 96-97 Jason Kidd who is 100% at SG as my backup SG, yet for some reason Stockton was subbed in.

8/2/2010 2:46 PM
Customer Support
Hi Nick,

Stockton played because 89-90 Michael Jordan on your team was in foul trouble and fouled out in the 3rd quarter.

8/2/2010 4:23 PM
slymonium
Please actually read my post this time, then try to comprehend and give a valid response.

At 6:43 left in the 1st quarter John Stockton was subbed in at SG. So your response above makes zero sense.

The issue: John Stockton is not on my depth chart anywhere. 96-97 Jason Kidd is #2 on the depth chart at SG yet for some reason Stockton was subbed in.

8/3/2010 12:09 PM
Customer Support
Nick,

You have Kidd set as the only backup for both positions. So there will be times where he needs to back up PG and there is no one left to come in at SG. To avoid that you need to set another guy in the depth chart at one of the two positions.

8/3/2010 1:03 PM
slymonium
Again, you need to do a little more research into what I'm saying. I have TWO different Jason Kidd player seasons on my squad.

The 96-97 Kidd is ONLY set at #2 on my depth chart at SG. The 08-09 Kidd is set at #2 at PG.

So, I will pose the question for the third time. Why would John Stockton be subbed in at SG when:
1. He is not listed on my depth chart anywhere
2. 96-97 Jason Kidd is set at #2 SG
3. 96-97 Jason Kidd is not set on my depth chart at any other position.

8/3/2010 1:35 PM
Customer Support
Jordan was in foul trouble and 96-97 Kidd was likely over target minute pace, so it had to find someone else to play there. Any time there is foul trouble it's going to cause odd sub patterns.

8/3/2010 2:54 PM
slymonium
The logic of your statement does not make sense. Kidd was over target minute pace so it had to find a replacement. The replacement it found was someone who was set at zero target minutes.

Kidd was over target minute pace? He played 1:25 in the 1st quarter before being replaced by someone who is not on my depth chart and not 100% at SG. Then he played another 2:50 to close out the 1st.

Stockton (zero target minutes) ended up playing 19 minutes while Kidd only got 13.

8/3/2010 4:23 PM
Customer Support
Kidd had played about 1.5 minutes when he came out, and since there had been only 3 total minutes played in the game he would be on pace to play nearly 24 minutes, which is clearly well above his target of 3.

A player not set in the depth chart is basically Mopup, so their target minutes aren't handled the same way.

8/3/2010 5:32 PM
slymonium
19 minutes for a player not listed on my depth chart is outlandish.

Target minutes relate to players listed on my depth chart. If a player is not listed on my depth chart, why would the sim just assume that it should throw in a player for 19 minutes despite the fact that I purposely did not list him on my depth chart? It just doesn't make sense.

8/3/2010 5:47 PM
Customer Support
Most coaches would be more upset if a guy they had set to low minutes used up a ton of minutes in a game like this and that affected his use for the rest of the season.

8/3/2010 7:55 PM
slymonium
Most coaches would be ****** if Michael Jordan fouled out in 6 minutes, but I wasn't even going to bring that up.

This isn't about me or "most coaches." This is about sim logic. He should not have been subbed in. Who is the coach, me or the sim? If I had wanted Stockton to play, I would have put him in the depth chart, yes?

8/3/2010 8:01 PM
Customer Support
Thanks for the feedback. We'll take it into consideration for future changes.

8/4/2010 10:43 AM
slymonium
Future changes? That must be a joke right? You haven't even released the 09-10 players!

Haha, now they deleted my ticket.

Wow....Slymonium - 7, WIS - 0

Look, I'm all for defending whatever you do (I do it with my rankings and other stuff), but there's really no valid explanation for what happened here, yet WIS CS is time and time again trying to validate it, by using so many bizarre, off the wall claims, that it's just plain ridiculous. You may be able to pull this double talk with a more ignorant user (take your pick), however sly is a smart guy and he just slammed you up and down the court here.

There are sooooo many things in that line of tickets to laugh at and be ****** off at at the same time. People would be more ****** if a guy set to low minutes ACTUALLY ON THE DEPTH CHART more than having a guy play 19 who wasn't on the DC at all...LMFAO!!! Somebody's taking the **** out of me here...this has to be a gag of some sort.

And you're right sly, Jordan fouling out in 6 minutes is the BIGGEST travesty here, and you didn't even bring that up...I don't care how good the opposition is/was...that's a $10 million player, right? And people think I'm being ridiculous/selfish for leaving the game....

It was like CS was throwing a dart at the wall and where ever it landed was the response I got. When I shot the response down, they pulled the dart out of the wall and gave it another throw.