2016 Presidential Race Topic

Posted by Coach_Nate on 2/21/2016 9:46:00 PM (view original):
Trump really is a **** business man...he used other people's money and bankrupted 3 or 4 times....oh and he single handedly destroyed the USFL in like a year
Based on your logic these guys must be **** businessman as well since their companies filed bankruptcy too.... Milton Hershey, Walt Disney, Stan Lee, Henry Ford.... Let's not forget Warren Buffett and his $1 billion bankruptcy with Energy Future Holdings or how 6 months after he sold World Marketing Chicago it filed for bankruptcy. What ****** businessmen! Look I'm not saying Trump is the greatest businessman in the world, but he IS successful and to argue anything to the contrary is either ignorance or stupidity.
You should bone up on the Trump bankruptcies... This might help you see what Trump lost in those bankruptcies and whose money it was
2/22/2016 8:07 AM (edited)
Hell, Obama invested $500 million of tax payer money in Solyndra via his stimulus package and that company filed bankruptcy. Talk about using other people's money and then declaring bankruptcy.
2/22/2016 7:49 AM
Nevada, CNN poll 2/10-2/15
Trump 45%
Rubio 19%
Cruz 17%
2/22/2016 8:04 AM (edited)

The Emerson College Polling Society released new numbers from Massachusetts on Sunday night. In two tweets, the group summed up the primary races in the Bay State.

The poll showed Democrats Bernie Sanders andHillary Clinton with 46 percent support each.

On the GOP side, GOP front-runner Donald Trump had 50 percent, with Sen. Marco Rubio at 16 percent, Ohio Gov. John Kasich with 13 percent, Sen. Ted Cruz with 10 percent and Ben Carson with 2 percent.

2/22/2016 8:02 AM
^^^ 1st Massachusetts poll for Super Tuesday.... Trump 50%!!
2/22/2016 8:03 AM
Posted by moy23 on 2/21/2016 7:00:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/21/2016 3:37:00 PM (view original):
You're the one who pointed to his business acumen as a qualification to be President. I simply pointed out that it hasn't been all candy and roses for him.

A "deal' is far different than legislation. I'm pretty sure everyone saw some benefit of any deal made with Trump. If not, they're very stupid. That's the whole point of a business arrangement. That is not politics.

Just admit that Trump has no political experience, less than Obama in '08 and less than Rubio now, and move on to another topic.
Can't name many businesmen with a candy and roses track record.... But there's 30 years of a business track record for Trump in a tough real estate industry and it's been by in large very successful. No doubt.
Politicians are deal makers.... That's why business lobbyists head to DC to 'deal' with politicians.
I agree with your 3rd point... I mentioned that Rubio and Cruz have never made 'executive decisions'. You brought up 'political experience'. Rubio and Cruz have as much political experience as Obama which is nil to none which is the equivalent of Trump buying these guys off for 30 years.
"Executive decisions" in business is different than in politics.

I'm not sure Trump's business success, and failures, qualify him to be President any more than Obama's fundraising efforts qualified him. At the end of the day, in business, you can get up and walk away from the table. We've busted Obama's chops for that. Trump has done nothing to indicate he could get anything done in DC. As I said, Trump has the potential to make Obama look like a master of compromise.
2/22/2016 10:28 AM
Posted by moy23 on 2/22/2016 8:07:00 AM (view original):
Posted by Coach_Nate on 2/21/2016 9:46:00 PM (view original):
Trump really is a **** business man...he used other people's money and bankrupted 3 or 4 times....oh and he single handedly destroyed the USFL in like a year
Based on your logic these guys must be **** businessman as well since their companies filed bankruptcy too.... Milton Hershey, Walt Disney, Stan Lee, Henry Ford.... Let's not forget Warren Buffett and his $1 billion bankruptcy with Energy Future Holdings or how 6 months after he sold World Marketing Chicago it filed for bankruptcy. What ****** businessmen! Look I'm not saying Trump is the greatest businessman in the world, but he IS successful and to argue anything to the contrary is either ignorance or stupidity.
You should bone up on the Trump bankruptcies... This might help you see what Trump lost in those bankruptcies and whose money it was
Successful business men aren't necessarily billionaires...Trump used other people's money messed up bad and then used loop holes to fudge the system in order to get back on top. Trump had the road paved for him. I'd like to see Trump start off with a small business loan and grow a small business from nothing into something....oh ya and without f#cking anyone over. Trump's good at taking advantage of people and hes good at leading people estray. He bends rules and uses loop holes to his advantage...That's not a good businessman thats someone who knows how to make a broken system work for him and has always had someone else's money to do it...seems like he has lots in common with politicians...he's no businessman he's just great at faking it and cheating people
2/22/2016 11:33 AM
Posted by moy23 on 2/22/2016 7:49:00 AM (view original):
Hell, Obama invested $500 million of tax payer money in Solyndra via his stimulus package and that company filed bankruptcy. Talk about using other people's money and then declaring bankruptcy.
Obama didn't invest anything in Solyndra. It was a Department of Energy loan that was initiated by Bush and completed in 2009.

Nice try, though. Add it to the list of other fake scandals...fast and furious, Benghazi, etc.
2/22/2016 11:59 AM
Posted by moy23 on 2/22/2016 8:02:00 AM (view original):

The Emerson College Polling Society released new numbers from Massachusetts on Sunday night. In two tweets, the group summed up the primary races in the Bay State.

The poll showed Democrats Bernie Sanders andHillary Clinton with 46 percent support each.

On the GOP side, GOP front-runner Donald Trump had 50 percent, with Sen. Marco Rubio at 16 percent, Ohio Gov. John Kasich with 13 percent, Sen. Ted Cruz with 10 percent and Ben Carson with 2 percent.

I really, really, really hope you're right about Trump, But I'm skeptical. I think March 1 is where things really go to **** for him. Bush is out and Cruz is losing support. I think Rubio rallies.
2/22/2016 12:02 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 2/22/2016 11:59:00 AM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 2/22/2016 7:49:00 AM (view original):
Hell, Obama invested $500 million of tax payer money in Solyndra via his stimulus package and that company filed bankruptcy. Talk about using other people's money and then declaring bankruptcy.
Obama didn't invest anything in Solyndra. It was a Department of Energy loan that was initiated by Bush and completed in 2009.

Nice try, though. Add it to the list of other fake scandals...fast and furious, Benghazi, etc.


I CHALLENGE YOU!

You had me for a second or two. Then you added Fast and Furious and Benghazi. Now I gotta clean your stink out.
2/22/2016 2:18 PM

Government support and politics

Solyndra received a $536 million U.S. Energy Department loan guarantee, the first recipient of a loan guarantee under President Barack Obama's economic stimulus program, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009. [21] Additionally, Solyndra received a $25.1 million tax break from California's Alternative Energy and Advanced Transportation Financing Authority.[22]

Following the bankruptcy, the government was expected to recoup $27 million under the Solyndra restructuring plan, but no money was ever recovered. [2][23]

2/22/2016 2:22 PM

Documents show politics infused Obama ‘green’ programs

Joe Stephens and Carol D. Leonnig DEC 25, 2011

Since the failure of solar-panel company Solyndra, President Obama’s $80 billion clean-technology program has begun to look like a political liability.

2/22/2016 2:24 PM
In 2011, solar panel company Solyndra defaulted on a $535 million loan guaranteed by the Department of Energy. The agency had a few other high-profile bankruptcies, too — electric car company Fisker and solar company Abound among them.
2/22/2016 2:24 PM
Depending on which side of the political aisle they originate, opinions vary on whether the Solyndra controversy is a scandal that can be fully attributed to Barack Obama.

Most on the right claim President Obama pushed his green agenda with a blatant disregard for the California solar company's lack of financial health. Many on the left argue that President George W. Bush and his Republican-controlled Congress began the green energy loan subsidies program, the Energy Policy Act of 2005, that ultimately provided the funding to Solyndra.

Vote Now: Do You Approve or Disapprove of President Obama's Job Performance?

Here are eight facts about the Barack Obama Solyndra scandal:

1. In 2009, the California-based green energy solar panel manufacturer Solyndra received a $535 million loan. The stimulus-funded loan, which was originally applied for in 2006 under the Bush Administration, was guaranteed by the Department of Energy.

2. While visiting Solyndra in May of 2010, President Barack Obama claimed Solyndra was “leading the way toward a brighter and more prosperous future.”

3. In August of 2011, The Washington Post reported that Solyndra shut down, "leaving 1,100 people out of work and taxpayers obligated for $535 million in federal loans." According to Solyndra Chief Executive Brian Harrison, "Regulatory and policy uncertainties made it impossible to raise capital to quickly rescue the operation."

4. The Solyndra controversy was elevated to a scandal when it was revealed that Office of Management and Budget officials felt pressured to approve the loan, despite an awareness of Solyndra's financial instability. ABC News reported, "The deal later came under scrutiny from independent government watch dogs and members of Congress, which said the administration had bypassed key taxpayer protections in a rush to approve the funds — claims the administration has denied."

Urgent: What Do You Think of President Obama's Job Performance? Vote Now

5. Reporter Chris Good from The Atlantic wrote, "If White House officials handled taxpayer dollars irresponsibly for the sake of promoting Obama's signature piece of legislation at the time, it would constitute a potential ethical lapse that resonates with criticisms against the stimulus and ballooning deficits."

6. Questions about potential political motivations behind the special treatment of the Solyndra loan further fueled the green energy scandal. The Week reported, "The family foundation of billionaire George Kaiser, an Obama fundraiser, is one of Solyndra's big investors. The GOP says that Team Obama interfered to speed up the loan approval, cutting short due diligence so that Vice President Joe Biden could announce the loan at the Sept. 4, 2009, groundbreaking of a new Solyndra factory being financed by that government cash."



7. Newly appointed White House Ebola response coordinator Ron Klain was previously Joe Biden's chief of staff. According to The Washington Post, Klain "dismissed auditor’s concerns about Solyndra’s solvency, reasoning that all innovative companies come with risk."

8. Thomas Pyle of U.S. News wrote an article on the issuance of new loan guarantees to additional green companies despite the Solyndra scandal. "Now here we are, $535 billion in wasted taxpayer dollars later, and it seems that the administration is intent on going full speed ahead. In fact, the president recently said in an interview that the Solyndra deal was 'a good bet.' Talk about a disconnect."
2/22/2016 2:26 PM
Solyndra, the solar panel manufacturer who took more than $500 million from President Obama’s stimulus then went bust, sticking taxpayers for the loss, lied to federal officials to secure the loan, the Energy Department’s inspector general said in a report released Wednesday.

But the Obama administration goofed too, and may have cut corners in fully vetting the project because of “political pressure” from top Democrats and Solyndra itself, the investigators said in their report, which took four years to complete.
2/22/2016 2:28 PM
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