Posted by bad_luck on 1/29/2019 6:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 1/29/2019 6:31:00 PM (view original):
so, why can a restaurant post a sign saying "no shoes, no shirt, no service"? and why can a bar choose to not serve someone? Why should that baker have to abandon his religious beliefs? He's not telling the same sex couple they can't be gay, just that he doesn't have to make a cake for them

You can't discriminate on the basis of religion, race, color, sex, or national origin, at least under federal law. Some states have broader laws.

Someone without a shirt isn't a protected class.

Posted by bad_luck on 1/29/2019 6:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/29/2019 6:35:00 PM (view original):
The author also has a bookstore in which he sells his books with a store front. They are right next to each other.

If anyone can walk into the bookstore and buy a custom book, then no, the person producing the custom books can't discriminate. Retail stores can't discriminate.

Posted by wylie715 on 1/29/2019 6:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 1/29/2019 6:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 1/29/2019 6:31:00 PM (view original):
so, why can a restaurant post a sign saying "no shoes, no shirt, no service"? and why can a bar choose to not serve someone? Why should that baker have to abandon his religious beliefs? He's not telling the same sex couple they can't be gay, just that he doesn't have to make a cake for them

You can't discriminate on the basis of religion, race, color, sex, or national origin, at least under federal law. Some states have broader laws.

Someone without a shirt isn't a protected class.

bars and restaurants always have signs saying they can refuse service to anyone they choose not to serve. Why is that okay?

Posted by bad_luck on 1/29/2019 6:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 1/29/2019 6:39:00 PM (view original):
still haven't seen an explanation for why a restaurant or a bar(both public accomodations, by the way) can refuse service to anyone they choose, but a baker can't.

Any business can refuse service to anyone as long as they aren't basing the refusal on religion, race, sex, color, or national origin.

If the baker told the couple he was too busy to make any more cakes (or whatever), he would have been in the clear.

Posted by bad_luck on 1/29/2019 6:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 1/29/2019 6:39:00 PM (view original):
still haven't seen an explanation for why a restaurant or a bar(both public accomodations, by the way) can refuse service to anyone they choose, but a baker can't.

Any business can refuse service to anyone as long as they aren't basing the refusal on religion, race, sex, color, or national origin.

If the baker told the couple he was too busy to make any more cakes (or whatever), he would have been in the clear.

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/29/2019 6:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 1/29/2019 6:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 1/29/2019 6:39:00 PM (view original):
still haven't seen an explanation for why a restaurant or a bar(both public accomodations, by the way) can refuse service to anyone they choose, but a baker can't.

Any business can refuse service to anyone as long as they aren't basing the refusal on religion, race, sex, color, or national origin.

If the baker told the couple he was too busy to make any more cakes (or whatever), he would have been in the clear.

But this would have been a lie, which is also a sin in Christianity. So, your solution is that he should have lied instead of being truthful?

Posted by bad_luck on 1/29/2019 6:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 1/29/2019 6:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 1/29/2019 6:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 1/29/2019 6:31:00 PM (view original):
so, why can a restaurant post a sign saying "no shoes, no shirt, no service"? and why can a bar choose to not serve someone? Why should that baker have to abandon his religious beliefs? He's not telling the same sex couple they can't be gay, just that he doesn't have to make a cake for them

You can't discriminate on the basis of religion, race, color, sex, or national origin, at least under federal law. Some states have broader laws.

Someone without a shirt isn't a protected class.

bars and restaurants always have signs saying they can refuse service to anyone they choose not to serve. Why is that okay?

How many times do I have to repeat?

Any business can refuse service to anyone as long as they aren't basing the refusal on religion, race, sex, color, or national origin.

If the baker told the couple he was too busy to make any more cakes (or whatever), he would have been in the clear.

Posted by bad_luck on 1/29/2019 6:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 1/29/2019 6:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 1/29/2019 6:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 1/29/2019 6:31:00 PM (view original):
so, why can a restaurant post a sign saying "no shoes, no shirt, no service"? and why can a bar choose to not serve someone? Why should that baker have to abandon his religious beliefs? He's not telling the same sex couple they can't be gay, just that he doesn't have to make a cake for them

You can't discriminate on the basis of religion, race, color, sex, or national origin, at least under federal law. Some states have broader laws.

Someone without a shirt isn't a protected class.

bars and restaurants always have signs saying they can refuse service to anyone they choose not to serve. Why is that okay?

How many times do I have to repeat?

Any business can refuse service to anyone as long as they aren't basing the refusal on religion, race, sex, color, or national origin.

If the baker told the couple he was too busy to make any more cakes (or whatever), he would have been in the clear.

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/29/2019 6:45:00 PM (view original):
Lol great minds think alike, Wylie, We posted the same thing at the same time.

Posted by bad_luck on 1/29/2019 6:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/29/2019 6:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 1/29/2019 6:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 1/29/2019 6:39:00 PM (view original):
still haven't seen an explanation for why a restaurant or a bar(both public accomodations, by the way) can refuse service to anyone they choose, but a baker can't.

Any business can refuse service to anyone as long as they aren't basing the refusal on religion, race, sex, color, or national origin.

If the baker told the couple he was too busy to make any more cakes (or whatever), he would have been in the clear.

But this would have been a lie, which is also a sin in Christianity. So, your solution is that he should have lied instead of being truthful?

I'm not offering him a solution. I'm stating a fact. A public accommodation refusing service on the basis of religion or sex is illegal.

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/29/2019 6:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 1/29/2019 6:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 1/29/2019 6:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 1/29/2019 6:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 1/29/2019 6:31:00 PM (view original):
so, why can a restaurant post a sign saying "no shoes, no shirt, no service"? and why can a bar choose to not serve someone? Why should that baker have to abandon his religious beliefs? He's not telling the same sex couple they can't be gay, just that he doesn't have to make a cake for them

You can't discriminate on the basis of religion, race, color, sex, or national origin, at least under federal law. Some states have broader laws.

Someone without a shirt isn't a protected class.

bars and restaurants always have signs saying they can refuse service to anyone they choose not to serve. Why is that okay?

How many times do I have to repeat?

Any business can refuse service to anyone as long as they aren't basing the refusal on religion, race, sex, color, or national origin.

If the baker told the couple he was too busy to make any more cakes (or whatever), he would have been in the clear.

Being gay is none of the adjectives you listed. So by your own logic they can be denied.

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/29/2019 6:41:00 PM (view original):
You keep using the laws to justify your answers. Take legality out of equation. Anyone reasonable can admit that there are/have been unjust laws and that laws can come with unintended consequences. This isn't a courtroom.