Posted by MikeT23 on 4/20/2017 7:55:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 4/20/2017 7:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 4/20/2017 7:49:00 PM (view original):
Yes.

No, they aren't.

Yes, they are. Thanks for playing.

John Crawford wasn't a violent criminal. You lose.

Posted by bad_luck on 4/20/2017 7:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 4/20/2017 7:55:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 4/20/2017 7:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 4/20/2017 7:49:00 PM (view original):
Yes.

No, they aren't.

Yes, they are. Thanks for playing.

John Crawford wasn't a violent criminal. You lose.

Sure he was.

Nope

Yep.

Posted by MikeT23 on 4/20/2017 7:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by sjpoker on 4/20/2017 7:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 4/20/2017 6:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by sjpoker on 4/20/2017 6:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by toddcommish on 4/20/2017 6:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by sjpoker on 4/20/2017 6:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 4/20/2017 2:23:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 4/20/2017 1:58:00 PM (view original):
I look at it this way:

The same cop pulls over two identical white hondas. The driver of car A is black and the driver of car B is white. Both drivers behave exactly the same way. If the cop is more afraid of the black driver and therefore more likely to shoot the black driver, that's a problem, even if the shooting is justified.

It's the unsolvable problem. The racism isn't explicit. The cop isn't a KKK member, that would be easy to deal with. It's subliminaly entrenched.

You forgot to mention that nearly twice as many whites are killed by cops in any given year than blacks killed by cops.

Another moronic statement. What is the population of whites in this country versus the population of blacks? If you work in the math of incidence versus population, what are the percentages?

It's not the ratio of the general population that matters. It's the ratio of people who commit violent crimes.

You can't simply look at what groups commit violent crimes without looking at the circumstances behind that. Again not a simple statement.

Tell that to the victims of the violent crimes.

"Oh, wait, I know you're all dead and ****. Which might **** you off. But you don't really know the full circumstances."

Dumbass.

You cannot measure one group and their propensity for violent crime and compare that to another without examining the full circumstances. Again it's not that simple.

You'd be surprised to know that I can. No one is "forced" to commit violent crimes. I don't give a **** about the circumstance. It is a violent crime that one chose to commit. It was committed against another individual. I don't shed tears for criminals. Something is wrong with a society that says "Yes, he killed three people but he had a lot of bad things in his life."

That's bleeding heart bullshit. No thanks.

I don't believe I made any kind of argument about why someone should not be responsible for a violent act that they commit. What I take issue with it's when you start talking about racial or ethnic groups and making blanket comments about their propensity to do this or that when related to crime. As if it's a black or white. That doesn't mean that there aren't tendencies. But you can't say something is writing wrong in those situations without understanding the underlying reasons for it.

Posted by MikeT23 on 4/20/2017 8:05:00 PM (view original):
Yep.

I know schools in South Carolina aren't great, but I am surprised by your apparent lead poisoning.

Posted by MikeT23 on 4/20/2017 8:05:00 PM (view original):
Yep.

That's a retarded statement Mike and you know it. Maybe you're making it because you're competing with bad luck but you know and everyone else knows that not every cop shooting is righteous.

Posted by sjpoker on 4/20/2017 8:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 4/20/2017 7:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by sjpoker on 4/20/2017 7:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 4/20/2017 6:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by sjpoker on 4/20/2017 6:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by toddcommish on 4/20/2017 6:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by sjpoker on 4/20/2017 6:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 4/20/2017 2:23:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 4/20/2017 1:58:00 PM (view original):
I look at it this way:

The same cop pulls over two identical white hondas. The driver of car A is black and the driver of car B is white. Both drivers behave exactly the same way. If the cop is more afraid of the black driver and therefore more likely to shoot the black driver, that's a problem, even if the shooting is justified.

It's the unsolvable problem. The racism isn't explicit. The cop isn't a KKK member, that would be easy to deal with. It's subliminaly entrenched.

You forgot to mention that nearly twice as many whites are killed by cops in any given year than blacks killed by cops.

Another moronic statement. What is the population of whites in this country versus the population of blacks? If you work in the math of incidence versus population, what are the percentages?

It's not the ratio of the general population that matters. It's the ratio of people who commit violent crimes.

You can't simply look at what groups commit violent crimes without looking at the circumstances behind that. Again not a simple statement.

Tell that to the victims of the violent crimes.

"Oh, wait, I know you're all dead and ****. Which might **** you off. But you don't really know the full circumstances."

Dumbass.

You cannot measure one group and their propensity for violent crime and compare that to another without examining the full circumstances. Again it's not that simple.

You'd be surprised to know that I can. No one is "forced" to commit violent crimes. I don't give a **** about the circumstance. It is a violent crime that one chose to commit. It was committed against another individual. I don't shed tears for criminals. Something is wrong with a society that says "Yes, he killed three people but he had a lot of bad things in his life."

That's bleeding heart bullshit. No thanks.

I don't believe I made any kind of argument about why someone should not be responsible for a violent act that they commit. What I take issue with it's when you start talking about racial or ethnic groups and making blanket comments about their propensity to do this or that when related to crime. As if it's a black or white. That doesn't mean that there aren't tendencies. But you can't say something is writing wrong in those situations without understanding the underlying reasons for it.

I think you're misunderstanding me. I don't care why someone commits a violent crime. Once they've done it, they can die on the spot as far as I'm concerned. I don't want to dissect why it happened. I'd just like them removed from planet earth so they can't do it again.

Can I do anything else to make my position more clear?

Posted by sjpoker on 4/20/2017 8:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 4/20/2017 8:05:00 PM (view original):
Yep.

That's a retarded statement Mike and you know it. Maybe you're making it because you're competing with bad luck but you know and everyone else knows that not every cop shooting is righteous.

Meh. I've yet to read "Senior citizen, on way to volunteer at homeless shelter after church, shot and killed by police after struggle."

Of the "big news" ones, Scott was the worst. And that was after he ran and struggled with the cop over his taser. He ran because he wasn't making child support payments. Not exactly a model citizen. Doesn't mean he deserved to be shot but he put himself in a position where it could happen.

Not familiar. I don't scour the internet so I can find something to be outraged over.

ONE GUY?!

That's your argument?!