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When we dealing with the new SIM we where focusing on starting players are trying to price them correctly.  But the bench players are now an issue, we need to make an adjustment where if we can reduce the salary of players under 1500 minutes by 20 to 30% it would really make this work. 
10/8/2010 9:47 AM
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I second this motion
10/8/2010 10:14 AM
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I couldn't disagree more. There are ways around this, you just need to be creative in how you make a team. Making players 20 to 30% cheaper just because of there minutes played is a recipe for disaster. I know my team would have a couple of high minute guys then, and the rest all under 1500 if they give them discounts just for not playing a lot of minutes.
10/8/2010 1:03 PM
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given the way the fatigue engine works and the fact that we have little decremental control over minutes played at the scrub level I think you'd find that a little challenging
10/8/2010 1:49 PM
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Posted by felonius on 10/8/2010 1:49:00 PM (view original):
given the way the fatigue engine works and the fact that we have little decremental control over minutes played at the scrub level I think you'd find that a little challenging
I'll guarantee that I won't be the only one exploiting that advantage if it is created. Over the course of a season, things typically tend to work themselves out with players with low minutes.
10/8/2010 2:47 PM
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Posted by smileycrawfo on 10/8/2010 1:03:00 PM (view original):
I couldn't disagree more. There are ways around this, you just need to be creative in how you make a team. Making players 20 to 30% cheaper just because of there minutes played is a recipe for disaster. I know my team would have a couple of high minute guys then, and the rest all under 1500 if they give them discounts just for not playing a lot of minutes.
I also could not disagree more.  The less people have to spend on the less significant players, the more cookies there are.
10/8/2010 2:56 PM
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there were no such abuses in the past - maybe someone got by using 1000 minutes of Matt Bullard but that's about it

maybe you're thinking we're asking for something we're not - all we want is for seble to back off the increases on scrubs a little bit (not even reverting back to previous levels) making it easier to draft benchs for less that 6m
10/8/2010 2:58 PM
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Posted by felonius on 10/8/2010 2:58:00 PM (view original):
there were no such abuses in the past - maybe someone got by using 1000 minutes of Matt Bullard but that's about it

maybe you're thinking we're asking for something we're not - all we want is for seble to back off the increases on scrubs a little bit (not even reverting back to previous levels) making it easier to draft benchs for less that 6m

We just want an easing for the lesser minute players, Allen's, Peja''s and Moses's stay where they are.  The puropse of the salaries was to stop the cookie cutters but we don't want to make this a more restrictive SIM either.  Just want to add some additonal flexibilty otherwise other cookie cutters will come about very quickly. IMO

 

10/8/2010 3:16 PM
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Posted by felonius on 10/8/2010 2:58:00 PM (view original):
there were no such abuses in the past - maybe someone got by using 1000 minutes of Matt Bullard but that's about it

maybe you're thinking we're asking for something we're not - all we want is for seble to back off the increases on scrubs a little bit (not even reverting back to previous levels) making it easier to draft benchs for less that 6m
So you're wanting the Michael Jordan, Wilt Chamberlain, Magic Johnson, Manu Ginobili, Ray Allen,  Dennis Rodman etc. that played less than 1500 minutes to be cheaper, and you don't think that will cause a problem? I played in the "every player has to be under $6,000,000" league, and believe me, there are a lot of gems under 1500 minutes that I would load up on.
10/8/2010 4:04 PM
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Posted by felonius on 10/8/2010 2:58:00 PM (view original):
there were no such abuses in the past - maybe someone got by using 1000 minutes of Matt Bullard but that's about it

maybe you're thinking we're asking for something we're not - all we want is for seble to back off the increases on scrubs a little bit (not even reverting back to previous levels) making it easier to draft benchs for less that 6m
Right.  I understand what you are saying.  I just do not think it is even remotely reasonable to expect someone to build an effective bench for less than 6 million.
10/8/2010 4:06 PM
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Posted by smileycrawfo on 10/8/2010 4:04:00 PM (view original):
Posted by felonius on 10/8/2010 2:58:00 PM (view original):
there were no such abuses in the past - maybe someone got by using 1000 minutes of Matt Bullard but that's about it

maybe you're thinking we're asking for something we're not - all we want is for seble to back off the increases on scrubs a little bit (not even reverting back to previous levels) making it easier to draft benchs for less that 6m
So you're wanting the Michael Jordan, Wilt Chamberlain, Magic Johnson, Manu Ginobili, Ray Allen,  Dennis Rodman etc. that played less than 1500 minutes to be cheaper, and you don't think that will cause a problem? I played in the "every player has to be under $6,000,000" league, and believe me, there are a lot of gems under 1500 minutes that I would load up on.
Exactly.  If you want a superstar team, play in a higher cap league.  Building teams is SUPPOSED to be challenging and a salary cap is MEANT to be restrictive.  5 superstars on a team is ridiculous.  Everyone in RL is flipping out about three and I definitely believe you still can easily build teams with two-three superstars and a fair bench with the current numbers.
10/8/2010 4:08 PM
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No.
Theme leagues are supposed to be challenging.
OL are supposed to be more noob friendly and appealing to newer players.

btw, the no is to the two noobs who think this is a good thing.  Well, smiley's not a noob but he's acting like one.
10/8/2010 4:19 PM
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That is a bold assumption about themes given how open they are and the flexibility of the cap.

And I may not have played as much NBA sim, but I know the site, the engines and stats.
10/8/2010 4:21 PM
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Posted by robusk on 10/8/2010 4:06:00 PM (view original):
Posted by felonius on 10/8/2010 2:58:00 PM (view original):
there were no such abuses in the past - maybe someone got by using 1000 minutes of Matt Bullard but that's about it

maybe you're thinking we're asking for something we're not - all we want is for seble to back off the increases on scrubs a little bit (not even reverting back to previous levels) making it easier to draft benchs for less that 6m
Right.  I understand what you are saying.  I just do not think it is even remotely reasonable to expect someone to build an effective bench for less than 6 million.

if you want to use the NBA as a model give me a soft cap and the ability to sign as many guys as it takes to fill out my roster to vet minimum contracts regardless of my salary

oh yeah and get rid of fatigue penalties and injury logic - they dont pertain

10/8/2010 4:34 PM
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Posted by smileycrawfo on 10/8/2010 4:04:00 PM (view original):
Posted by felonius on 10/8/2010 2:58:00 PM (view original):
there were no such abuses in the past - maybe someone got by using 1000 minutes of Matt Bullard but that's about it

maybe you're thinking we're asking for something we're not - all we want is for seble to back off the increases on scrubs a little bit (not even reverting back to previous levels) making it easier to draft benchs for less that 6m
So you're wanting the Michael Jordan, Wilt Chamberlain, Magic Johnson, Manu Ginobili, Ray Allen,  Dennis Rodman etc. that played less than 1500 minutes to be cheaper, and you don't think that will cause a problem? I played in the "every player has to be under $6,000,000" league, and believe me, there are a lot of gems under 1500 minutes that I would load up on.
Yes there's never a perfect solution but under 1500 mins (or if you would like 1200 mins) minimizes the impact the cookie cuttter aspect while increases flexibiity.  The Ray Allen you speak of its at $2.6m and is lowered $2.08m or 96-97 Kenny Smith lowered from 975k to 682k. Do you really think that a horrible thing?  This is for the get more flexiblity in the frontline players, if you want to load up on that type of player go for it. 

Seble please let us know if this is possible
10/8/2010 4:40 PM
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