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ashamael
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in fact, everyone I've looked at thus far has the exact same defensive rating.
8/19/2010 1:59 AM
tarheel1991
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Wilt
Rodman
Jordan
xxxx
xxxx


multiply by 24

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open league
8/19/2010 2:06 AM
chris_snid
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Posted by ashamael on 8/19/2010 1:57:00 AM (view original):
defense being over-valued was a huge issue in the current version of the sim, though.

ON THAT NOTE...

Where's the new def rating formula coming into play?  I still see 08-09 Troy Murphy as a 96 def rating.  That in itself leads me to believe you still have def reb% in the formula, and it absolutely should not be for what you use def rating.
thats the reason to increase offensive values it would help balance out the players.
8/19/2010 2:51 AM
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Posted by felonius on 8/18/2010 9:28:00 PM (view original):
just for starters it doesnt bode well that Moses, Rodman and Sir Charles have seen big drops in salary - they are in heavy rotation because they're such bargains as it is so it seems like they're headed the wrong way
Agreed with this one Seble I think having less weight to defense is the way to go.  But now I think you should give more weight to rebounding.  Also in regards to the actual defensive ratings themseleves they are still this same, is the a plan to adjust these?  For example Troy Murphy 08-09.......
8/19/2010 7:06 AM (edited)
felonius
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why couldnt you raise the value of offensive characteristics without lowering the value of defensive ones? the problem has been the imbalance - i.e. not that defense costs too much but that it costs too much  relative to offense

of course you could always just increase everyone by a set percentage to calibrate salaries to fit the 42 cap

8/19/2010 8:13 AM
ashamael
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"why couldnt you raise the value of offensive characteristics without lowering the value of defensive ones? the problem has been the imbalance - i.e. not that defense costs too much but that it costs too much  relative to offense"

This.
8/19/2010 10:57 AM
eleibowitz
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Posted by ashamael on 8/19/2010 10:57:00 AM (view original):
"why couldnt you raise the value of offensive characteristics without lowering the value of defensive ones? the problem has been the imbalance - i.e. not that defense costs too much but that it costs too much  relative to offense"

This.
Whatever works the best.  Reason I said rebounding is pretty much you know the results you are going to get.  Hence the reason defense is over valued.  But offense characteristsics is a another measurable statistic. 
8/19/2010 11:05 AM (edited)
chris_snid
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Posted by ashamael on 8/19/2010 10:57:00 AM (view original):
"why couldnt you raise the value of offensive characteristics without lowering the value of defensive ones? the problem has been the imbalance - i.e. not that defense costs too much but that it costs too much  relative to offense"

This.
This
8/19/2010 11:17 AM
seble
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Here are the current top 100 most used players:

First Name Last Name Season Franchise Current Salary Teams using
Dennis Rodman 1991-92 Detroit Pistons 8825659 130
Moses Malone 1978-79 Houston Rockets 8999416 123
Peja Stojakovic 2003-04 Sacramento Kings 5824667 101
Dana Barros 1994-95 Philadelphia 76ers 6622822 90
Michael Jordan 1988-89 Chicago Bulls 10964331 85
Glen Rice 1996-97 Charlotte Hornets 4536431 84
Jamal Crawford 2008-09 New York Knicks 239000 82
Troy Murphy 2008-09 Indiana Pacers 6048716 82
LeBron James 2008-09 Cleveland Cavaliers 9856717 76
Ray Allen 2005-06 Seattle SuperSonics 5531927 62
Shelden Williams 2008-09 Minnesota Timberwolves 239000 56
Danny Fortson 2000-01 Golden State Warriors 317521 54
Steve Novak 2007-08 Houston Rockets 239000 52
Steve Nash 2007-08 Phoenix Suns 5555956 48
Tim Legler 1995-96 Washington Bullets 2585878 47
Charles Barkley 1987-88 Philadelphia 76ers 8690263 47
Michael Jordan 1995-96 Chicago Bulls 9140799 46
Dennis Rodman 1994-95 San Antonio Spurs 4170164 46
Larry Bird 1984-85 Boston Celtics 9851442 41
Wilt Chamberlain 1961-62 Philadelphia Warriors 12557371 41
Peja Stojakovic 2006-07 New Orleans Hornets 343891 41
Chris Paul 2008-09 New Orleans Hornets 9678136 40
Dwyane Wade 2008-09 Miami Heat 9553501 40
Michael Jordan 1989-90 Chicago Bulls 10352115 39
Dennis Rodman 1992-93 Detroit Pistons 5424301 36
Ben Wallace 2002-03 Detroit Pistons 6871439 35
Charles Barkley 1989-90 Philadelphia 76ers 8606616 35
Steve Nash 2005-06 Phoenix Suns 6205242 34
Ray Allen 2000-01 Milwaukee Bucks 6345520 34
Chauncey Billups 2005-06 Detroit Pistons 7104074 33
Henry James 1996-97 Atlanta Hawks 391618 32
J.R. Smith 2007-08 Denver Nuggets 2262950 31
Kevin Durant 2008-09 Oklahoma City Thunder 6608634 31
Jason Kidd 2008-09 Dallas Mavericks 6831223 30
Dick Clark 1968-69 Houston Mavericks 239000 30
Toni Kukoc 2000-01 Atlanta Hawks 994556 29
Craig Hodges 1989-90 Chicago Bulls 847423 29
Tim Legler 1994-95 Golden State Warriors 332727 28
Joe Johnson 2004-05 Phoenix Suns 4093439 27
Hubert Davis 2000-01 Washington Wizards 239000 26
Dennis Rodman 1999-00 Dallas Mavericks 450932 26
Ron Artest 2004-05 Indiana Pacers 429645 26
Wilt Chamberlain 1966-67 Philadelphia 76ers 13588901 26
Gerald Govan 1975-76 Virginia Squires 239000 26
Walt Bellamy 1965-66 Baltimore Bullets 239000 25
Craig Hodges 1987-88 Phoenix Suns 383406 25
Harvey Catchings 1978-79 Philadelphia 76ers 239000 25
Kiki Vandeweghe 1988-89 Portland Trail Blazers 247883 24
Scott Brooks 1996-97 New York Knicks 239000 24
Wilt Chamberlain 1960-61 Philadelphia Warriors 11362529 24
Wilt Chamberlain 1962-63 San Francisco Warriors 14262672 24
Paul Pierce 2001-02 Boston Celtics 7770198 24
Orien Greene 2006-07 Indiana Pacers 239000 23
Tracy McGrady 2002-03 Orlando Magic 7637151 23
Michael Jordan 1990-91 Chicago Bulls 9897604 23
Larry Bird 1987-88 Boston Celtics 9190970 23
Dennis Rodman 1996-97 Chicago Bulls 4457456 22
Brent Barry 2001-02 Seattle SuperSonics 6704901 22
Larry Brown 1970-71 Virginia Squires 239000 22
Allen Iverson 2006-07 Philadelphia 76ers 985583 22
Steve Nash 2006-07 Phoenix Suns 5995234 22
Bill Russell 1963-64 Boston Celtics 9042418 21
Jack Dorsey 1980-81 Seattle SuperSonics 239000 21
Toby Kimball 1966-67 Boston Celtics 250984 21
Chris Paul 2007-08 New Orleans Hornets 9215549 21
Tracy Murray 2001-02 Toronto Raptors 242502 21
Dennis Rodman 1993-94 San Antonio Spurs 7304372 21
Moses Malone 1981-82 Houston Rockets 8109997 21
Michael Jordan 1987-88 Chicago Bulls 10707127 21
Larry Bird 1986-87 Boston Celtics 8845431 20
Michael Jordan 1986-87 Chicago Bulls 9506443 20
Magic Johnson 1988-89 Los Angeles Lakers 8827319 20
Dennis Rodman 1998-99 Los Angeles Lakers 1730938 20
Michael Curry 2003-04 Toronto Raptors 335203 20
Wilt Chamberlain 1969-70 Los Angeles Lakers 1794832 20
Magic Johnson 1980-81 Los Angeles Lakers 4174930 20
Zaid Abdul-Aziz 1975-76 Seattle SuperSonics 239000 20
Wilt Chamberlain 1965-66 Philadelphia 76ers 13879811 20
Charles Barkley 1992-93 Phoenix Suns 8742561 20
Dwight Howard 2007-08 Orlando Magic 9118699 19
Doug Christie 1995-96 New York Knicks 239000 19
Manute Bol 1989-90 Golden State Warriors 985146 18
Manu Ginobili 2007-08 San Antonio Spurs 5783869 18
Moses Malone 1982-83 Philadelphia 76ers 8022714 18
Alonzo Mourning 2004-05 Miami Heat 324447 18
Kedrick Brown 2001-02 Boston Celtics 239000 18
Danilo Gallinari 2008-09 New York Knicks 307351 18
Zach Randolph 2008-09 New York Knicks 728948 18
Chris Bosh 2008-09 Toronto Raptors 7040695 17
Jermaine O'Neal 2008-09 Miami Heat 994297 17
Raja Bell 2006-07 Phoenix Suns 5710484 17
Steve Kerr 2000-01 San Antonio Spurs 325410 17
Cory Alexander 2000-01 Orlando Magic 239000 17
Norman Swanson 1953-54 Rochester Royals 239000 17
Wilt Chamberlain 1963-64 San Francisco Warriors 14941126 17
Robert Parish 1988-89 Boston Celtics 7537032 17
Tim Duncan 2001-02 San Antonio Spurs 9818135 17
Dennis Rodman 1995-96 Chicago Bulls 4909968 17
Bernard King 1986-87 New York Knicks 239000 17
Steve Alford 1990-91 Dallas Mavericks 239000 17


8/19/2010 11:33 AM
seble
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So far I have

- Raise weight on rebounding
- Raise overall

I will try to pull down the data for how many teams are using each player record and add that to the next version of the spreadsheet.
8/19/2010 11:35 AM
longtallbrad
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Thanks for listening, seble.  Much appreciated.
8/19/2010 11:37 AM
longtallbrad
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And...Shelden frickin' Williams?  Just wow.
8/19/2010 11:38 AM
slymonium
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Posted by longtallbrad on 8/19/2010 11:38:00 AM (view original):
And...Shelden frickin' Williams?  Just wow.
Gotta fill out your squad with a scrub- he must be a good one.
8/19/2010 12:16 PM
garyman
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One thing that stands out on that Top 100 list: Not including the scrubs, from the 60s & 70s, there's only a few Wilts, 1 Russell and 1 Moses season.

Is there any way to filter that list to include only guys w/ at least a $3.5 or $4 mil salary?

(edit: I miss using and playing against the old guys, whatever happened to Logo, Big O, Elgin, Hondo, Dr. J, etc)
8/19/2010 1:00 PM (edited)
eleibowitz
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Posted by garyman on 8/19/2010 1:00:00 PM (view original):
One thing that stands out on that Top 100 list: Not including the scrubs, from the 60s & 70s, there's only a few Wilts, 1 Russell and 1 Moses season.

Is there any way to filter that list to include only guys w/ at least a $3.5 or $4 mil salary?

(edit: I miss using and playing against the old guys, whatever happened to Logo, Big O, Elgin, Hondo, Dr. J, etc)
Yeah good point is there a way to do that?
8/19/2010 1:01 PM
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