So you don't understand the difference between fundamental rights and legal rights?

Posted by tecwrg on 5/22/2012 1:33:00 PM (view original):
So you don't understand the difference between fundamental rights and legal rights?

I don't understand the difference between the state granting someone the right to do something and the state allowing someone to do something.

So that's a no?

If you're going to spend 50 pages arguing about rights, shouldn't you have a basic understanding of what a right is?

Posted by tecwrg on 5/22/2012 1:39:00 PM (view original):
So that's a no?

If you're going to spend 50 pages arguing about rights, shouldn't you have a basic understanding of what a right is?

I understand what a right is.  I don't understand your point.  How is the government granting a right different from the government allowing someone to do something?

According to your link, fundamental rights aren't granted by the government.  Seems irrelevant to this specific topic (rights vs allowance).

Is marriage a fundamental right, or is marriage a legal right?

Loving classifies marriage as a civil right.

Is a civil right a fundamental right or a legal right?

Posted by tecwrg on 5/22/2012 1:52:00 PM (view original):
Is a civil right a fundamental right or a legal right?

Well, according to your link, the only fundamental right is the right to life.

I'm asking you what you think a civil right is.  Not what my link says.

Posted by tecwrg on 5/22/2012 1:56:00 PM (view original):
I'm asking you what you think a civil right is.  Not what my link says.

And I'm asking you what the difference is between the government granting someone the right to do something and the government allowing someone to do something.

Fundamental rights do not need to be granted or legislated.  Legal rights do.

Why are you unwilling to answer my question: is marriage a fundamental right, or a legal right?

Posted by tecwrg on 5/22/2012 2:01:00 PM (view original):
Fundamental rights do not need to be granted or legislated.  Legal rights do.

Why are you unwilling to answer my question: is marriage a fundamental right, or a legal right?

Marriage is a civil right.  It is granted by the constitution, section 1 of the 14th amendment.

"Recognized federal civil rights law in the United States is grounded in the U.S. Constitution as interpreted by the Supreme Court. By this standard, marriage has long been established as a civil right.

The operative constitutional text is section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment, which was ratified in 1868. The relevant passages read as follows:

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Tec, I think I tried this approach about 20-30 pages.

Forehead, meet palm.

Posted by jrd_x on 5/22/2012 2:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 5/22/2012 2:01:00 PM (view original):
Fundamental rights do not need to be granted or legislated.  Legal rights do.

Why are you unwilling to answer my question: is marriage a fundamental right, or a legal right?

Marriage is a civil right.  It is granted by the constitution, section 1 of the 14th amendment.

"Recognized federal civil rights law in the United States is grounded in the U.S. Constitution as interpreted by the Supreme Court. By this standard, marriage has long been established as a civil right.

The operative constitutional text is section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment, which was ratified in 1868. The relevant passages read as follows:

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Is a civil right (a) a fundamental right, or (b) a legal right?

Please answer with a or b.

Why won't you answer about the point you brought up?

You are the one who is insisting that the government granting a right for you to do something is different than the government allowing you to do something.

What's the difference?