Posted by jrd_x on 5/16/2012 10:51:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/16/2012 10:25:00 AM (view original):

Posted by jrd_x on 5/16/2012 10:07:00 AM (view original):
So you believe you have no rights at all?

I have thousands, if not millions, of rights.  Until someone with the power to take them away does just that.

You either have rights or you don't.  You have the right to life, it can be taken away, but you still have the right.

Posted by jrd_x on 5/16/2012 10:54:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/16/2012 10:28:00 AM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 5/16/2012 10:18:00 AM (view original):
The majority should never be voting on rights for the minority.

So minorities should have carte blanche to do as they please?    No rules or laws for them?

I think examples work best for you.

African Americans are a minority.  If the majority got together and passed a law taking away the right to vote from African Americans, that wouldn't be legal. 

posted by mike a few minutes agot
mike's big irrelevant post

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/16/2012 10:56:00 AM (view original):

Posted by jrd_x on 5/16/2012 10:50:00 AM (view original):

Are you going to ignore this?

I responded to it by quoting your very next post.  Incest itself is illegal.  Homosexuality isn't.  Incestual marriage is not analogous to same sex marriage.

Doesn't really address this now does it?

"Incest is illegal due to a moral standpoint(probably religion-based but I really don't know).  Sibling/parental manipulation is obviously a concern so that's why, in my example, the siblings were complete strangers.   Their marriage would be denied.   Even if both were sterilzed in order to prevent any possibility of birth defects.   Their "right" to marry the one they love would just be denied due to a law based on morality.  And that's why states are banning SSM.   Like it or not, homosexuality is considered immoral by a large amount of people."

You claimed it was health-based.  I gave you two very good examples of where the government doesn't restrict individual "rights" based on healthy choices.   So you can say "I responded to it" but we know you didn't.



 

No response?

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/16/2012 10:58:00 AM (view original):

Posted by jrd_x on 5/16/2012 10:54:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/16/2012 10:28:00 AM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 5/16/2012 10:18:00 AM (view original):
The majority should never be voting on rights for the minority.

So minorities should have carte blanche to do as they please?    No rules or laws for them?

I think examples work best for you.

African Americans are a minority.  If the majority got together and passed a law taking away the right to vote from African Americans, that wouldn't be legal. 

Seems like much worse was done to people of color in the past.    Legal is what the majority decides. 

Posted by jrd_x on 5/16/2012 11:00:00 AM (view original):

posted by mike a few minutes agot
mike's big irrelevant post

Homosexuality isn't illegal.

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/16/2012 8:01:00 AM (view original):

Posted by jrd_x on 5/15/2012 8:49:00 PM (view original):

I don't make judgements on lifestyle choices.   I don't care about the lifestyle choices when it doesn't affect me.

Now, if you would answer the question.   I'll tighten it up for you:

Sure.  I'll lay out a scenario for you.  You tell me the problem.

Your mother puts you in a trash can when you're an infant because you're an annoying bastard.   The trashman finds you and raises you as his own.  He never mentions finding you in a smelly trash can.

25 years later, you meet a girl.   You date, you fall in love.   Turns out, your mother and father decided to try to make a better baby after you were discarded.   You're now dating, and nailing, your sister.     Incest is illegal.   

What's the difference between you and your sis in this situation and two dudes in love, morally speaking?

Children from incestual relationships often have massive birth defects.  The government has an interest in preventing that.  That concern is obviously not present with regard to same sex relationships.  So incest is illegal, homosexuality isn't.

Thank you.   Now I'll explain my point.

Can a pregnant women walk into a store and buy a pack of smokes and a case of beer?   Hasn't smoking and drinking proven to cause birth defects?
Can a grossly obese man walk into McDonald's and buy 5 Big Macs and a diet Pepsi?   Hasn't obesity proven to be a major health issue?
Doesn't the government have an interest in preventing those problems?  

Incest is illegal due to a moral standpoint(probably religion-based but I really don't know).  Sibling/parental manipulation is obviously a concern so that's why, in my example, the siblings were complete strangers.   Their marriage would be denied.   Even if both were sterilzed in order to prevent any possibility of birth defects.   Their "right" to marry the one they love would just be denied due to a law based on morality.  And that's why states are banning SSM.   Like it or not, homosexuality is considered immoral by a large amount of people.

No response?

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/16/2012 10:57:00 AM (view original):

Posted by jrd_x on 5/16/2012 10:51:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/16/2012 10:25:00 AM (view original):

Posted by jrd_x on 5/16/2012 10:07:00 AM (view original):
So you believe you have no rights at all?

I have thousands, if not millions, of rights.  Until someone with the power to take them away does just that.

You either have rights or you don't.  You have the right to life, it can be taken away, but you still have the right.

You have rights until someone with the power to take them away does just that.

Not complicated at all.

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/16/2012 11:04:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/16/2012 8:01:00 AM (view original):

Posted by jrd_x on 5/15/2012 8:49:00 PM (view original):

I don't make judgements on lifestyle choices.   I don't care about the lifestyle choices when it doesn't affect me.

Now, if you would answer the question.   I'll tighten it up for you:

Sure.  I'll lay out a scenario for you.  You tell me the problem.

Your mother puts you in a trash can when you're an infant because you're an annoying bastard.   The trashman finds you and raises you as his own.  He never mentions finding you in a smelly trash can.

25 years later, you meet a girl.   You date, you fall in love.   Turns out, your mother and father decided to try to make a better baby after you were discarded.   You're now dating, and nailing, your sister.     Incest is illegal.   

What's the difference between you and your sis in this situation and two dudes in love, morally speaking?

Children from incestual relationships often have massive birth defects.  The government has an interest in preventing that.  That concern is obviously not present with regard to same sex relationships.  So incest is illegal, homosexuality isn't.

Thank you.   Now I'll explain my point.

Can a pregnant women walk into a store and buy a pack of smokes and a case of beer?   Hasn't smoking and drinking proven to cause birth defects?
Can a grossly obese man walk into McDonald's and buy 5 Big Macs and a diet Pepsi?   Hasn't obesity proven to be a major health issue?
Doesn't the government have an interest in preventing those problems?  

Incest is illegal due to a moral standpoint(probably religion-based but I really don't know).  Sibling/parental manipulation is obviously a concern so that's why, in my example, the siblings were complete strangers.   Their marriage would be denied.   Even if both were sterilzed in order to prevent any possibility of birth defects.   Their "right" to marry the one they love would just be denied due to a law based on morality.  And that's why states are banning SSM.   Like it or not, homosexuality is considered immoral by a large amount of people.

No response?

Posted by jrd_x on 5/16/2012 11:05:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/16/2012 11:04:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/16/2012 8:01:00 AM (view original):

Posted by jrd_x on 5/15/2012 8:49:00 PM (view original):

I don't make judgements on lifestyle choices.   I don't care about the lifestyle choices when it doesn't affect me.

Now, if you would answer the question.   I'll tighten it up for you:

Sure.  I'll lay out a scenario for you.  You tell me the problem.

Your mother puts you in a trash can when you're an infant because you're an annoying bastard.   The trashman finds you and raises you as his own.  He never mentions finding you in a smelly trash can.

25 years later, you meet a girl.   You date, you fall in love.   Turns out, your mother and father decided to try to make a better baby after you were discarded.   You're now dating, and nailing, your sister.     Incest is illegal.   

What's the difference between you and your sis in this situation and two dudes in love, morally speaking?

Children from incestual relationships often have massive birth defects.  The government has an interest in preventing that.  That concern is obviously not present with regard to same sex relationships.  So incest is illegal, homosexuality isn't.

Thank you.   Now I'll explain my point.

Can a pregnant women walk into a store and buy a pack of smokes and a case of beer?   Hasn't smoking and drinking proven to cause birth defects?
Can a grossly obese man walk into McDonald's and buy 5 Big Macs and a diet Pepsi?   Hasn't obesity proven to be a major health issue?
Doesn't the government have an interest in preventing those problems?  

Incest is illegal due to a moral standpoint(probably religion-based but I really don't know).  Sibling/parental manipulation is obviously a concern so that's why, in my example, the siblings were complete strangers.   Their marriage would be denied.   Even if both were sterilzed in order to prevent any possibility of birth defects.   Their "right" to marry the one they love would just be denied due to a law based on morality.  And that's why states are banning SSM.   Like it or not, homosexuality is considered immoral by a large amount of people.

No response?

I guess I'll quote your big irrelevant post again.

Homosexuality isn't illegal.  Incest is.

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/16/2012 11:08:00 AM (view original):

Posted by jrd_x on 5/16/2012 11:05:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/16/2012 11:04:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/16/2012 8:01:00 AM (view original):

Posted by jrd_x on 5/15/2012 8:49:00 PM (view original):

I don't make judgements on lifestyle choices.   I don't care about the lifestyle choices when it doesn't affect me.

Now, if you would answer the question.   I'll tighten it up for you:

Sure.  I'll lay out a scenario for you.  You tell me the problem.

Your mother puts you in a trash can when you're an infant because you're an annoying bastard.   The trashman finds you and raises you as his own.  He never mentions finding you in a smelly trash can.

25 years later, you meet a girl.   You date, you fall in love.   Turns out, your mother and father decided to try to make a better baby after you were discarded.   You're now dating, and nailing, your sister.     Incest is illegal.   

What's the difference between you and your sis in this situation and two dudes in love, morally speaking?

Children from incestual relationships often have massive birth defects.  The government has an interest in preventing that.  That concern is obviously not present with regard to same sex relationships.  So incest is illegal, homosexuality isn't.

Thank you.   Now I'll explain my point.

Can a pregnant women walk into a store and buy a pack of smokes and a case of beer?   Hasn't smoking and drinking proven to cause birth defects?
Can a grossly obese man walk into McDonald's and buy 5 Big Macs and a diet Pepsi?   Hasn't obesity proven to be a major health issue?
Doesn't the government have an interest in preventing those problems?  

Incest is illegal due to a moral standpoint(probably religion-based but I really don't know).  Sibling/parental manipulation is obviously a concern so that's why, in my example, the siblings were complete strangers.   Their marriage would be denied.   Even if both were sterilzed in order to prevent any possibility of birth defects.   Their "right" to marry the one they love would just be denied due to a law based on morality.  And that's why states are banning SSM.   Like it or not, homosexuality is considered immoral by a large amount of people.

No response?

I guess I'll quote your big irrelevant post again.

Homosexuality isn't illegal.  Incest is.

Why?

In this situation, why would this marriage "right" be denied?
Sibling/parental manipulation is obviously a concern so that's why, in my example, the siblings were complete strangers.   Their marriage would be denied.   Even if both were sterilzed in order to prevent any possibility of birth defects.   Their "right" to marry the one they love would just be denied due to a law based on morality.