Posted by jrd_x on 5/15/2012 8:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/15/2012 7:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jrd_x on 5/15/2012 5:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/15/2012 5:08:00 PM (view original):
If your right can be revoked or denied, it doesn't feel like a right.    If you've been paying attention, you'd know that I've said, repeatedly, that your "rights" are what the governing body says they are when they say they are.   You can't just scream "I KNOW MY RIGHTS" and think anyone cares. 

I don't care if you think it  doesn't "feel" like a right.  Voting is a right.

I don't care what you think.  If it can be revoked or denied, I don't care if you think it's your right or not.    It's your right until someone with more authority says it isn't.

That's EVERYTHING.  By your definition there are no rights.  You have the right to life until someone with more authority decides to end yours.

Posted by jrd_x on 5/15/2012 8:49:00 PM (view original):

I don't make judgements on lifestyle choices.   I don't care about the lifestyle choices when it doesn't affect me.

Now, if you would answer the question.   I'll tighten it up for you:

Sure.  I'll lay out a scenario for you.  You tell me the problem.

Your mother puts you in a trash can when you're an infant because you're an annoying bastard.   The trashman finds you and raises you as his own.  He never mentions finding you in a smelly trash can.

25 years later, you meet a girl.   You date, you fall in love.   Turns out, your mother and father decided to try to make a better baby after you were discarded.   You're now dating, and nailing, your sister.     Incest is illegal.   

What's the difference between you and your sis in this situation and two dudes in love, morally speaking?

Children from incestual relationships often have massive birth defects.  The government has an interest in preventing that.  That concern is obviously not present with regard to same sex relationships.  So incest is illegal, homosexuality isn't.

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/16/2012 7:53:00 AM (view original):

Posted by jrd_x on 5/15/2012 8:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/15/2012 7:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jrd_x on 5/15/2012 5:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/15/2012 5:08:00 PM (view original):
If your right can be revoked or denied, it doesn't feel like a right.    If you've been paying attention, you'd know that I've said, repeatedly, that your "rights" are what the governing body says they are when they say they are.   You can't just scream "I KNOW MY RIGHTS" and think anyone cares. 

I don't care if you think it  doesn't "feel" like a right.  Voting is a right.

I don't care what you think.  If it can be revoked or denied, I don't care if you think it's your right or not.    It's your right until someone with more authority says it isn't.

That's EVERYTHING.  By your definition there are no rights.  You have the right to life until someone with more authority decides to end yours.

Do you disagree?   You have the right to walk the streets safely, right?   If three dudes jump you and beat the **** out of you, how'd screaming "I KNOW MY RIGHTS!!!!" work out for you?

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Posted by MikeT23 on 5/16/2012 8:15:00 AM (view original):
No one is going to walk the streets protesting the ban on incestual marriage while toting an "INCEST IS BEST" or "IF IT AIN'T GOOD ENOUGH FOR FAMILY, IT AIN'T GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME!!" signs.    It's not a "cause" that's going to have any legs. 

Posted by jrd_x on 5/16/2012 10:07:00 AM (view original):
So you believe you have no rights at all?

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/16/2012 8:01:00 AM (view original):

Posted by jrd_x on 5/15/2012 8:49:00 PM (view original):

I don't make judgements on lifestyle choices.   I don't care about the lifestyle choices when it doesn't affect me.

Now, if you would answer the question.   I'll tighten it up for you:

Sure.  I'll lay out a scenario for you.  You tell me the problem.

Your mother puts you in a trash can when you're an infant because you're an annoying bastard.   The trashman finds you and raises you as his own.  He never mentions finding you in a smelly trash can.

25 years later, you meet a girl.   You date, you fall in love.   Turns out, your mother and father decided to try to make a better baby after you were discarded.   You're now dating, and nailing, your sister.     Incest is illegal.   

What's the difference between you and your sis in this situation and two dudes in love, morally speaking?

Children from incestual relationships often have massive birth defects.  The government has an interest in preventing that.  That concern is obviously not present with regard to same sex relationships.  So incest is illegal, homosexuality isn't.

Thank you.   Now I'll explain my point.

Can a pregnant women walk into a store and buy a pack of smokes and a case of beer?   Hasn't smoking and drinking proven to cause birth defects?
Can a grossly obese man walk into McDonald's and buy 5 Big Macs and a diet Pepsi?   Hasn't obesity proven to be a major health issue?
Doesn't the government have an interest in preventing those problems?  

Incest is illegal due to a moral standpoint(probably religion-based but I really don't know).  Sibling/parental manipulation is obviously a concern so that's why, in my example, the siblings were complete strangers.   Their marriage would be denied.   Even if both were sterilzed in order to prevent any possibility of birth defects.   Their "right" to marry the one they love would just be denied due to a law based on morality.  And that's why states are banning SSM.   Like it or not, homosexuality is considered immoral by a large amount of people.

Posted by The Taint on 5/16/2012 10:18:00 AM (view original):
The majority should never be voting on rights for the minority.

So minorities should have carte blanche to do as they please?    No rules or laws for them?

Are you going to ignore this?

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/16/2012 10:25:00 AM (view original):

Posted by jrd_x on 5/16/2012 10:07:00 AM (view original):
So you believe you have no rights at all?

I have thousands, if not millions, of rights.  Until someone with the power to take them away does just that.

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/16/2012 10:28:00 AM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 5/16/2012 10:18:00 AM (view original):
The majority should never be voting on rights for the minority.

So minorities should have carte blanche to do as they please?    No rules or laws for them?

Posted by jrd_x on 5/16/2012 10:50:00 AM (view original):

Are you going to ignore this?

I responded to it by quoting your very next post.  Incest itself is illegal.  Homosexuality isn't.  Incestual marriage is not analogous to same sex marriage.

Doesn't really address this now does it?

"Incest is illegal due to a moral standpoint(probably religion-based but I really don't know).  Sibling/parental manipulation is obviously a concern so that's why, in my example, the siblings were complete strangers.   Their marriage would be denied.   Even if both were sterilzed in order to prevent any possibility of birth defects.   Their "right" to marry the one they love would just be denied due to a law based on morality.  And that's why states are banning SSM.   Like it or not, homosexuality is considered immoral by a large amount of people."

You claimed it was health-based.  I gave you two very good examples of where the government doesn't restrict individual "rights" based on healthy choices.   So you can say "I responded to it" but we know you didn't.