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Posted by MikeT23 on 5/15/2012 10:10:00 AM (view original):
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Posted by MikeT23 on 5/15/2012 10:00:00 AM (view original):
Do I need one?  I don't make laws.  I vote in people who do.   I assume they'll make laws that the majority of their constituency wants. 
It's fine if you don't have one.

Because there isn't one.
Well, there is DOMA, which is the federal law that defines marriage as the legal union between one man and one woman.
DOMA is a federal  law, not a compelling legal reason for a state to take a right away.

How about this.  FInish this sentence:

Same sex marriage shouldn't be allowed, because if it is...
Seems to me that a law is passed by lawmakers who understand they need a compelling legal reason.

Does that make sense to you?
Oh, ok, The legal reason is obvious then.  Care to enlighten me as to what it is?
Again, I don't need one.  Lawmakers make laws.   I vote them in.  They win by a majority vote.   They cater to the will of the people.

Which one of these word(s) is confusing you?
Well you would need one if you were interesting in defending prop 8.  Since you aren't, ill go ahead and mark you down as a same sex marriage supporter.
5/15/2012 10:13 AM
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Posted by jrd_x on 5/15/2012 10:12:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 5/15/2012 10:09:00 AM (view original):
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Posted by MikeT23 on 5/14/2012 4:54:00 PM (view original):
Not really.  SSM is illegal in some states.   Incest is illegal.  Seems pretty similar.
Smoking marijuana is illegal.  Incest is illegal.  Seems pretty similar.
mike, I'm surprised you gave up on this logical masterpiece.
Well, the fact that one can smoke pot alone and SSM/incest requires two people consenting to an act seemed to be the difference.   I just didn't think it deserved a response.    But, since you insist, there you have it.
What if you smoke pot with someone else?

Same as incest?
Will I be penetrating them while we smoke?
5/15/2012 10:16 AM
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DOMA does say that states are not required to recognize same-sex marriage in other states.
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Posted by jrd_x on 5/15/2012 10:13:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 5/15/2012 10:10:00 AM (view original):
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Posted by MikeT23 on 5/15/2012 10:00:00 AM (view original):
Do I need one?  I don't make laws.  I vote in people who do.   I assume they'll make laws that the majority of their constituency wants. 
It's fine if you don't have one.

Because there isn't one.
Well, there is DOMA, which is the federal law that defines marriage as the legal union between one man and one woman.
DOMA is a federal  law, not a compelling legal reason for a state to take a right away.

How about this.  FInish this sentence:

Same sex marriage shouldn't be allowed, because if it is...
Seems to me that a law is passed by lawmakers who understand they need a compelling legal reason.

Does that make sense to you?
Oh, ok, The legal reason is obvious then.  Care to enlighten me as to what it is?
Again, I don't need one.  Lawmakers make laws.   I vote them in.  They win by a majority vote.   They cater to the will of the people.

Which one of these word(s) is confusing you?
Well you would need one if you were interesting in defending prop 8.  Since you aren't, ill go ahead and mark you down as a same sex marriage supporter.

Mark me down for whatever you like.   I'm sure two dipshits arguing on the internet will influence many lawmakers when the time comes.

5/15/2012 10:17 AM
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Cool. Glad we can agree that there isn't a compelling legal reason to take marriage away from same sex couples.
5/15/2012 10:53 AM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 5/15/2012 10:16:00 AM (view original):
Posted by jrd_x on 5/15/2012 10:12:00 AM (view original):
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Posted by jrd_x on 5/14/2012 5:04:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 5/14/2012 4:54:00 PM (view original):
Not really.  SSM is illegal in some states.   Incest is illegal.  Seems pretty similar.
Smoking marijuana is illegal.  Incest is illegal.  Seems pretty similar.
mike, I'm surprised you gave up on this logical masterpiece.
Well, the fact that one can smoke pot alone and SSM/incest requires two people consenting to an act seemed to be the difference.   I just didn't think it deserved a response.    But, since you insist, there you have it.
What if you smoke pot with someone else?

Same as incest?
Will I be penetrating them while we smoke?
jrdx, I'm surprised you gave up on this logical masterpiece.
5/15/2012 11:00 AM
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Posted by jrd_x on 5/15/2012 10:53:00 AM (view original):
Cool. Glad we can agree that there isn't a compelling legal reason to take marriage away from same sex couples.
Other than federal law.

Oh, that's right.  You don't believe that federal law is "a compelling legal reason".  My bad.
5/15/2012 11:01 AM
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Posted by jrd_x on 5/15/2012 10:53:00 AM (view original):
Cool. Glad we can agree that there isn't a compelling legal reason to take marriage away from same sex couples.
Just because we're not smart enough to know what it is doesn't mean it doesn't exist.   Laws are being passed by some pretty smart fellows doing exactly what you say they can't. 

Of course, you can serve your country and be denied a beer due to age so people are denied "rights" all the time. 
5/15/2012 11:02 AM
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I could probably argue that you don't have any rights until the government says you have them. 

I have the "right" to vote.   If I meet certain guidelines.
I have the "right" to drive.   If I meet certain guidelines.
I have the "right" to drink.   If I meet certain guidelines.
I have the "right" to get married.   If I meet certain guidelines.

Weird ****, huh?
5/15/2012 11:05 AM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 5/15/2012 11:05:00 AM (view original):
I could probably argue that you don't have any rights until the government says you have them. 

I have the "right" to vote.   If I meet certain guidelines.
I have the "right" to drive.   If I meet certain guidelines.
I have the "right" to drink.   If I meet certain guidelines.
I have the "right" to get married.   If I meet certain guidelines.

Weird ****, huh?
Exactly.  But those rights apply equally to everyone.

If the majority passes a law to take away the right to vote from just black people or just gays or just women, that wouldn't be OK.  Even if the law passed by majority vote.
5/15/2012 11:07 AM
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No, they don't. 

Lot's of people can't vote, drink or drive.    Because they don't meet the guidelines.   Much like SSM people fail to meet the *****/vagina guideline.
5/15/2012 11:12 AM
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Posted by tecwrg2 on 5/15/2012 11:01:00 AM (view original):
Posted by jrd_x on 5/15/2012 10:53:00 AM (view original):
Cool. Glad we can agree that there isn't a compelling legal reason to take marriage away from same sex couples.
Other than federal law.

Oh, that's right.  You don't believe that federal law is "a compelling legal reason".  My bad.
Federal law does not require that states take away same sex marriage.  If it's not required, then it isn't a compelling legal reason.  
5/15/2012 11:12 AM
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States do lots of things not REQUIRED by Federal law.   Like taxation.   Fight paying your state taxes under "lack of compelling legal reason". 
5/15/2012 11:14 AM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 5/15/2012 11:12:00 AM (view original):
No, they don't. 

Lot's of people can't vote, drink or drive.    Because they don't meet the guidelines.   Much like SSM people fail to meet the *****/vagina guideline.
All 15 year olds aren't eligible to vote.  Not just gay 15 year olds. Or black 15 year olds.  Or female 15 year olds.  Or Catholic 15 year olds.

Heterosexual couples and same sex couples had the right to marry in California.  Then the state took the right away from just same sex couples.

IN order to legally do that, it needed a compelling reason.  Since it doesn't have one, the proposition was overturned.
5/15/2012 11:15 AM
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SS couples fail to meet specific guidelines.    What part of this is confusing you?

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