Posted by tecwrg on 5/12/2012 9:33:00 PM (view original):
So something like, oh let's say, gay marriage can be legal AND immoral?

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/12/2012 4:05:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by MikeT23 on 5/11/2012 8:57:00 PM (view original):

Sorry, I'm not up on the sodomy laws.   Let's get back to immorality.  Many people think incest is immoral.  Many people think homosexuality is immoral.  Why is one legal?

Maybe morality isn't the only criteria for legality

If gengxcon and hissis, both consenting adults, are willing to risk pregnancy/deformed babies, how is that different than two dudes, consenting adults, willing to risk AIDS?

Do you actually want to sign your name to such a dumb question? I'll answer if you like, but I'll give you chance to take it back first, considering how multi-layered with stupidity that question is.

Sure.  I'll lay out a scenario for you.  You tell me the problem.

Your mother puts you in a trash can when you're an infant because you're an annoying bastard.   The trashman finds you and raises you as his own.  He never mentions finding you in a smelly trash can.

25 years later, you meet a girl.   You date, you fall in love.   Turns out, your mother and father decided to try to make a better baby after you were discarded.   You're now dating, and nailing, your sister.     Incest is illegal.  

What's the difference between you and your sis in this situation and two dudes in love, morally speaking?

Posted by genghisxcon on 5/13/2012 12:24:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by MikeT23 on 5/11/2012 8:57:00 PM (view original):

Sorry, I'm not up on the sodomy laws.   Let's get back to immorality.  Many people think incest is immoral.  Many people think homosexuality is immoral.  Why is one legal?

Maybe morality isn't the only criteria for legality

If gengxcon and hissis, both consenting adults, are willing to risk pregnancy/deformed babies, how is that different than two dudes, consenting adults, willing to risk AIDS?

Do you actually want to sign your name to such a dumb question? I'll answer if you like, but I'll give you chance to take it back first, considering how multi-layered with stupidity that question is.

Sure.  I'll lay out a scenario for you.  You tell me the problem.

Your mother puts you in a trash can when you're an infant because you're an annoying bastard.   The trashman finds you and raises you as his own.  He never mentions finding you in a smelly trash can.

25 years later, you meet a girl.   You date, you fall in love.   Turns out, your mother and father decided to try to make a better baby after you were discarded.   You're now dating, and nailing, your sister.     Incest is illegal.  

What's the difference between you and your sis in this situation and two dudes in love, morally speaking?

That didn't even make sense. How many mulligans do I have to give you?

Posted by jrd_x on 5/12/2012 11:21:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 5/11/2012 9:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jrd_x on 5/11/2012 9:06:00 PM (view original):
Being gay is acceptable in our society. Incest isn't.

As genghisxcon pointed out earlier in this thread, slavery was once considered acceptable in our society.

Are you arguing that just because something is "acceptable in our society" that it is morally right?

No

Only you can determine what is morally right and wrong for you.

I believe in god like I believe in leprechauns, so I don't think being gay is morally wrong, regardless of what some dude wrote in the bible a thousand years ago.

Posted by silentpadna on 5/13/2012 8:48:00 AM (view original):

Posted by jrd_x on 5/12/2012 11:21:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 5/11/2012 9:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jrd_x on 5/11/2012 9:06:00 PM (view original):
Being gay is acceptable in our society. Incest isn't.

As genghisxcon pointed out earlier in this thread, slavery was once considered acceptable in our society.

Are you arguing that just because something is "acceptable in our society" that it is morally right?

No

Only you can determine what is morally right and wrong for you.

I believe in god like I believe in leprechauns, so I don't think being gay is morally wrong, regardless of what some dude wrote in the bible a thousand years ago.

Okay, I believe it's okay for me come steal everything you own (by the way, you should have no complaint about that since everyone is responsible for determine their own morality).  Maybe I believe it's okay to torture babies for the shear fun of it.

The law that says I can't is based on what exactly?  Tribal convention?  If we depend on the law to establish it for us, then what's to stop us from making a law to round up a bunch of people of a certain race and send them off to the ovens?  If enough of us believe that is a moral thing to do, then why not?

Do you really believe we determine morality individually?  Do we determine it by convention?

Nice evasion.  If stealing is not immoral, should it be legal?  If it's not legal, why not?  What is the legality based on?

Posted by silentpadna on 5/13/2012 11:25:00 AM (view original):

Nice evasion.  If stealing is not immoral, should it be legal?  If it's not legal, why not?  What is the legality based on?

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/13/2012 7:09:00 AM (view original):

Posted by genghisxcon on 5/13/2012 12:24:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by MikeT23 on 5/11/2012 8:57:00 PM (view original):

Sorry, I'm not up on the sodomy laws.   Let's get back to immorality.  Many people think incest is immoral.  Many people think homosexuality is immoral.  Why is one legal?

Maybe morality isn't the only criteria for legality

If gengxcon and hissis, both consenting adults, are willing to risk pregnancy/deformed babies, how is that different than two dudes, consenting adults, willing to risk AIDS?

Do you actually want to sign your name to such a dumb question? I'll answer if you like, but I'll give you chance to take it back first, considering how multi-layered with stupidity that question is.

Sure.  I'll lay out a scenario for you.  You tell me the problem.

Your mother puts you in a trash can when you're an infant because you're an annoying bastard.   The trashman finds you and raises you as his own.  He never mentions finding you in a smelly trash can.

25 years later, you meet a girl.   You date, you fall in love.   Turns out, your mother and father decided to try to make a better baby after you were discarded.   You're now dating, and nailing, your sister.     Incest is illegal.  

What's the difference between you and your sis in this situation and two dudes in love, morally speaking?

That didn't even make sense. How many mulligans do I have to give you?

Sure it did.   You're screwing your sister, you had planned on getting married and it's illegal.  

Explain, in 500 words or less, how that situation is different than two men wishing to be married.    And "The law says it's illegal" isn't going to cut it.