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Posted by MikeT23 on 5/11/2012 8:45:00 PM (view original):
Posted by jrd_x on 5/11/2012 8:32:00 PM (view original):
But being gay isn't illegal.
Incest is considered immoral largely due to the Bible.   Homosexuality is considered immoral by the Bible.

I think sodomy is illegal in some states.    How do gay dudes get it on?
As I just said to tweedletec:


Prohibitions on incest are nearly culturally universal. If you want to know why, don't look to the Bible. Look to a genetics textbook or watch Deliverance.
5/11/2012 8:56 PM
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Sorry, I'm not up on the sodomy laws.   Let's get back to immorality.  Many people think incest is immoral.  Many people think homosexuality is immoral.  Why is one legal?

5/11/2012 8:57 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 5/11/2012 8:57:00 PM (view original):

Sorry, I'm not up on the sodomy laws.   Let's get back to immorality.  Many people think incest is immoral.  Many people think homosexuality is immoral.  Why is one legal?

Maybe morality isn't the only criteria for legality
5/11/2012 9:00 PM
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Posted by jrd_x on 5/11/2012 9:00:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 5/11/2012 8:57:00 PM (view original):

Sorry, I'm not up on the sodomy laws.   Let's get back to immorality.  Many people think incest is immoral.  Many people think homosexuality is immoral.  Why is one legal?

Maybe morality isn't the only criteria for legality
If gengxcon and hissis, both consenting adults, are willing to risk pregnancy/deformed babies, how is that different than two dudes, consenting adults, willing to risk AIDS?
5/11/2012 9:02 PM
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Being gay is acceptable in our society. Incest isn't.
5/11/2012 9:06 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 5/11/2012 9:02:00 PM (view original):
Posted by jrd_x on 5/11/2012 9:00:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 5/11/2012 8:57:00 PM (view original):

Sorry, I'm not up on the sodomy laws.   Let's get back to immorality.  Many people think incest is immoral.  Many people think homosexuality is immoral.  Why is one legal?

Maybe morality isn't the only criteria for legality
If gengxcon and hissis, both consenting adults, are willing to risk pregnancy/deformed babies, how is that different than two dudes, consenting adults, willing to risk AIDS?
Do you actually want to sign your name to such a dumb question? I'll answer if you like, but I'll give you chance to take it back first, considering how multi-layered with stupidity that question is.
5/11/2012 9:08 PM
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Posted by jrd_x on 5/11/2012 9:06:00 PM (view original):
Being gay is acceptable in our society. Incest isn't.
As genghisxcon pointed out earlier in this thread, slavery was once considered acceptable in our society.

Are you arguing that just because something is "acceptable in our society" that it is morally right?
5/11/2012 9:53 PM
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It took many, many years for being gay to be acceptable in some circles, and as seen by ballot initiatives and legislation there's still a large section of the country against it.

This was true of black and white relationships at a time in our history.

Perhaps some of you folks can start an organization, protest for a couple dozen years, and then eureka you can marry your kinfolk legally.
5/11/2012 10:25 PM
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I'm an only child so, sadly, that is not an option for me.
5/11/2012 10:29 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 5/11/2012 10:29:00 PM (view original):
I'm an only child so, sadly, that is not an option for me.
I'll make sure to shed a tear on your behalf.
5/12/2012 12:05 AM
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Posted by tecwrg on 5/11/2012 9:53:00 PM (view original):
Posted by jrd_x on 5/11/2012 9:06:00 PM (view original):
Being gay is acceptable in our society. Incest isn't.
As genghisxcon pointed out earlier in this thread, slavery was once considered acceptable in our society.

Are you arguing that just because something is "acceptable in our society" that it is morally right?
No

Only you can determine what is morally right and wrong for you.

I believe in god like I believe in leprechauns, so I don't think being gay is morally wrong, regardless of what some dude wrote in the bible a thousand years ago.
5/12/2012 11:21 AM (edited)
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Posted by jrd_x on 5/12/2012 11:21:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 5/11/2012 9:53:00 PM (view original):
Posted by jrd_x on 5/11/2012 9:06:00 PM (view original):
Being gay is acceptable in our society. Incest isn't.
As genghisxcon pointed out earlier in this thread, slavery was once considered acceptable in our society.

Are you arguing that just because something is "acceptable in our society" that it is morally right?
No

Only you can determine what is morally right and wrong for you.

I believe in god like I believe in leprechauns, so I don't think being gay is morally wrong, regardless of what some dude wrote in the bible a thousand years ago.
If only we can determine what's right and wrong, why do we have so many laws? If I feel murder or rape is not wrong, then why am I punished for that?
5/12/2012 3:58 PM
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Posted by genghisxcon on 5/11/2012 9:08:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 5/11/2012 9:02:00 PM (view original):
Posted by jrd_x on 5/11/2012 9:00:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 5/11/2012 8:57:00 PM (view original):

Sorry, I'm not up on the sodomy laws.   Let's get back to immorality.  Many people think incest is immoral.  Many people think homosexuality is immoral.  Why is one legal?

Maybe morality isn't the only criteria for legality
If gengxcon and hissis, both consenting adults, are willing to risk pregnancy/deformed babies, how is that different than two dudes, consenting adults, willing to risk AIDS?
Do you actually want to sign your name to such a dumb question? I'll answer if you like, but I'll give you chance to take it back first, considering how multi-layered with stupidity that question is.
Sure.  I'll lay out a scenario for you.  You tell me the problem.

Your mother puts you in a trash can when you're an infant because you're an annoying bastard.   The trashman finds you and raises you as his own.  He never mentions finding you in a smelly trash can.

25 years later, you meet a girl.   You date, you fall in love.   Turns out, your mother and father decided to try to make a better baby after you were discarded.   You're now dating, and nailing, your sister.     Incest is illegal.  

What's the difference between you and your sis in this situation and two dudes in love, morally speaking?
5/12/2012 4:05 PM
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Posted by caesari on 5/12/2012 3:58:00 PM (view original):
Posted by jrd_x on 5/12/2012 11:21:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 5/11/2012 9:53:00 PM (view original):
Posted by jrd_x on 5/11/2012 9:06:00 PM (view original):
Being gay is acceptable in our society. Incest isn't.
As genghisxcon pointed out earlier in this thread, slavery was once considered acceptable in our society.

Are you arguing that just because something is "acceptable in our society" that it is morally right?
No

Only you can determine what is morally right and wrong for you.

I believe in god like I believe in leprechauns, so I don't think being gay is morally wrong, regardless of what some dude wrote in the bible a thousand years ago.
If only we can determine what's right and wrong, why do we have so many laws? If I feel murder or rape is not wrong, then why am I punished for that?
Exactly. Morality and legality aren't tied together. You can consider something immoral and it can be legal and vice versa.
5/12/2012 4:57 PM
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So something like, oh let's say, gay marriage can be legal AND immoral?
5/12/2012 9:33 PM
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