onlly one person answered the poll question - but from the tone of the debate, it seems we have a 50/50 split. Wow, just like America.  So why we the little people are argueing, the people in power laugh at us and stay in power making money.

I read somewhere, that if we did not have to pay for war and war prep, we would have enough money to pay for healthcare for everybody. 

Just remember all you that have healthcare now with your cozy jobs that pay for most of it, you are a bad monday away from losing your job and losing your health insurance. Did you ever think 'what the hell would I do after that ?

We lost the best person that could of made a change - Jon Huntsman. When Obama get s re-elected nothing will change for you and I, nothing

Posted by MikeT23 on 4/15/2012 12:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 4/15/2012 11:13:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 4/15/2012 7:36:00 AM (view original):

Posted by genghisxcon on 4/14/2012 8:22:00 PM (view original):
Helps? Helps how? Helps me realize that you think the world is a clean slate when a head of state takes office? Helps me realize you have terribly simplistic views of economics, politics, and even cause and effect? I guess, except I already knew all that.

If you think a major economic downturn can just be fixed overnight, maybe you should turn off TVLand. This isn't I Dream of Jeannie. Problems aren't instantly made all better by twitching your nose.

However, you did say one thing of great value. Obviously not here, but in the HBD forum. It's what micki hinted at earlier. You said you shouldn't complain without offering a solution. So tell me what specifically should Obama have done differently to address an issue of your choosing? Go ahead agent Starling, enthrall me with your acumen.

I'm not the President.   It's not really my job to have solutions.    However, if you want just one, I'd say a large part of our problem is unemployment.  Part of that problem is companies taking jobs overseas.   So, rather than tax businesses further and have them scraping for another dollar, how about focusing on what it takes to keep those jobs in the US?   It's a company's job to profit.  If, after labor/taxes and all other associated costs, it's $40 to have a job done in the US and $20 to have a job done in India, what's the logical thing to do?    Tax the business more on anything the government can?

As for "clean slates", Presidential terms are 4 years.  That's how long the President is given to make it all better.   Or at least give the illusion that he's making it better.  I don't set the rules. 

And I believe it's Bewitched where the nose twitch solves problems.

What will be funny is when our corporate tax rate is finally slashed to 20 percent, tax loopholes are closed, and subsididies are ended and the corporations start crying because they are actually paying a higher tax rate than they ever have.

It amazes me that the United States was once the world leader in manufacturing with tax rates that were north of 60 percent.

One thing though Mike, I know why you are feeling the pain, according to the CBO, our tax structure is very industry specific with Trucking companies getting nailed at almost 31 percent. Petroleum and natural gas Structured companies pay Usually from 11 to -2.2 percent. Truckers feel the tax burden more than any other business in the US.

Would you like to know why that wouldn't be funny, MrShortsightedviewpoint?

Because, as always, loss of profit is passed on to the consumer with price increases.   As long as the objective is to STOP businesses from turning a profit, our economy will not recover.

Posted by MikeT23 on 4/15/2012 12:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 4/15/2012 11:13:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 4/15/2012 7:36:00 AM (view original):

Posted by genghisxcon on 4/14/2012 8:22:00 PM (view original):
Helps? Helps how? Helps me realize that you think the world is a clean slate when a head of state takes office? Helps me realize you have terribly simplistic views of economics, politics, and even cause and effect? I guess, except I already knew all that.

If you think a major economic downturn can just be fixed overnight, maybe you should turn off TVLand. This isn't I Dream of Jeannie. Problems aren't instantly made all better by twitching your nose.

However, you did say one thing of great value. Obviously not here, but in the HBD forum. It's what micki hinted at earlier. You said you shouldn't complain without offering a solution. So tell me what specifically should Obama have done differently to address an issue of your choosing? Go ahead agent Starling, enthrall me with your acumen.

I'm not the President.   It's not really my job to have solutions.    However, if you want just one, I'd say a large part of our problem is unemployment.  Part of that problem is companies taking jobs overseas.   So, rather than tax businesses further and have them scraping for another dollar, how about focusing on what it takes to keep those jobs in the US?   It's a company's job to profit.  If, after labor/taxes and all other associated costs, it's $40 to have a job done in the US and $20 to have a job done in India, what's the logical thing to do?    Tax the business more on anything the government can?

As for "clean slates", Presidential terms are 4 years.  That's how long the President is given to make it all better.   Or at least give the illusion that he's making it better.  I don't set the rules. 

And I believe it's Bewitched where the nose twitch solves problems.

What will be funny is when our corporate tax rate is finally slashed to 20 percent, tax loopholes are closed, and subsididies are ended and the corporations start crying because they are actually paying a higher tax rate than they ever have.

It amazes me that the United States was once the world leader in manufacturing with tax rates that were north of 60 percent.

One thing though Mike, I know why you are feeling the pain, according to the CBO, our tax structure is very industry specific with Trucking companies getting nailed at almost 31 percent. Petroleum and natural gas Structured companies pay Usually from 11 to -2.2 percent. Truckers feel the tax burden more than any other business in the US.

Would you like to know why that wouldn't be funny, MrShortsightedviewpoint?

Because, as always, loss of profit is passed on to the consumer with price increases.   As long as the objective is to STOP businesses from turning a profit, our economy will not recover.

Posted by colonels19 on 4/15/2012 12:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 4/2/2012 8:10:00 PM (view original):
As usual "What has Obama done?" is countered with "Well, look at those guys!!!"

Sad.

It is funny that people keep blaming Bush 4 years after the fact....at what point is the Obama administration and it's supporters going to own their situation and broken promises?

Posted by tecwrg on 4/15/2012 4:05:00 PM (view original):
The stupidity of the whole healthcare bill issue is that the Obamacare supporters are unable to acknowledge that the bill does not actually address the real root cause of the problem of healthcare in the U.S.  It's just a $1.8t band-aid.

Posted by The Taint on 4/15/2012 4:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by colonels19 on 4/15/2012 12:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 4/2/2012 8:10:00 PM (view original):
As usual "What has Obama done?" is countered with "Well, look at those guys!!!"

Sad.

It is funny that people keep blaming Bush 4 years after the fact....at what point is the Obama administration and it's supporters going to own their situation and broken promises?

Just like Clinton was to blame for the .com bubble. I heard that plenty in dubyas first term.

Posted by tecwrg on 4/15/2012 4:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 4/15/2012 4:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by colonels19 on 4/15/2012 12:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 4/2/2012 8:10:00 PM (view original):
As usual "What has Obama done?" is countered with "Well, look at those guys!!!"

Sad.

It is funny that people keep blaming Bush 4 years after the fact....at what point is the Obama administration and it's supporters going to own their situation and broken promises?

Just like Clinton was to blame for the .com bubble. I heard that plenty in dubyas first term.

The dot com bubble burst in March/April 2000 . . . seven months before Bush was elected and nine months before he took office.