2016 Presidential Race Topic

Posted by tecwrg on 3/21/2016 1:15:00 PM (view original):
Posted by RCBracco on 3/21/2016 12:49:00 PM (view original):
Moy, You are the true definition of simpleton. I say this as one who believes that the surest way to destroy what is left of the GOP is to nominate Trump, so go for it. I look forward to the day you guys are extinct.
Do you think the US essentially going to a one-party system (if the GOP is "destroyed", as you hope) would be good for the country?
It's basically been a one party system since 1999. The Repugs are the left-center and the Democraps are the left.

The only thing Repugs are on the right about is social issues. It is time they change or be destroyed.
3/22/2016 8:24 AM
Posted by moy23 on 3/22/2016 8:16:00 AM (view original):
Belgium terrorist attacks this morning will strengthen Trumps position on national security
Maybe Trump's behind it. Part of his "master plan".

FAUX-TERRORISTS FOR TRUMP!!!!
3/22/2016 9:00 AM
Trump hasn't even started on the Belgium terrorists yet.
3/22/2016 9:05 AM
Posted by MikeT23 on 3/22/2016 9:05:00 AM (view original):
Trump hasn't even started on the Belgium terrorists yet.
True
3/22/2016 9:48 AM
Posted by moy23 on 3/22/2016 6:48:00 AM (view original):
A CNN/ORC poll that surveyed 397 Republicans from March 17-20 found that 47 percent supported Trump. Texas Sen. Ted Cruz came in second with 31 percent and Ohio Gov. John Kasich placed third with 17 percent.



A New York Times/CBS News poll found that 46 percent of 362 Republican primary voters surveyed March 17-20 supported Trump. 26 percent supported Cruz and 20 percent were for Kasich.
He's never gotten that much in a single state. Those numbers seem off to me. Contested or brokered convention seems well on the way.
3/22/2016 11:57 AM
Utah missionaries part of injured people in the bombing in Belgium. The story was released around 8 am MDT. I wonder how the results will change from the polling predictions?
3/22/2016 12:06 PM
Posted by DougOut on 3/20/2016 1:15:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 3/20/2016 11:57:00 AM (view original):
For Trump to win, people that are planning to vote for Clinton would have to decide to vote for Trump instead.

Don't see that happening, regardless of what Trump does.
Are you aware of the Hillary negatives? I think not.

If you pulled your head out of your comfort zone and looked at the opposition and gave it due consideration, you would crap your pants.

The negatives are devastating to you and your leftist friends.
I'm on your side politically DougOut (although I despise Trump); in this case, bad_luck is correct for 3 reasons that aren't his (and I can't believe I just typed that):
  1. Trump's unfavorable ratings will sink turnout from the base if he's nominated
  2. It doesn't matter how obviously guilty and unlawful lying, pandering, law-breaking their (presumed) nominee is, those who are committed will not care because those types of integrity issues are less important to them. There are some on the republican side who will stand on their principles and not own a vote for guy like Trump. Big advantage to Clinton in this case.
  3. The same media that's giving Trump a pass along with ridiculous air time for their own interests is going to turn the tables on Trump the minute he gets the nomination.
3/22/2016 12:09 PM
Posted by raucous on 3/22/2016 12:06:00 PM (view original):
Utah missionaries part of injured people in the bombing in Belgium. The story was released around 8 am MDT. I wonder how the results will change from the polling predictions?
Zero change. Cruz walks away with Utah without a problem. Trump has no shot at Utah.

Arizona on the other hand...but, you know, Arizona didn't recognize MLK day until the 1990's. Not surprising the state is full of Trump voters.
3/22/2016 12:15 PM
Posted by silentpadna on 3/22/2016 11:57:00 AM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 3/22/2016 6:48:00 AM (view original):
A CNN/ORC poll that surveyed 397 Republicans from March 17-20 found that 47 percent supported Trump. Texas Sen. Ted Cruz came in second with 31 percent and Ohio Gov. John Kasich placed third with 17 percent.



A New York Times/CBS News poll found that 46 percent of 362 Republican primary voters surveyed March 17-20 supported Trump. 26 percent supported Cruz and 20 percent were for Kasich.
He's never gotten that much in a single state. Those numbers seem off to me. Contested or brokered convention seems well on the way.
44% Alabama
49% Massachusetts
41% Louisiana
47% Mississippi
40% North Carolina
46% Florida
41% Missouri


And those are with Rubio in the race. Maybe a portion of Marco's voters are going to Trump. Everyone makes the mistake of assuming Trump has zero allure with these voters.
3/22/2016 1:37 PM
Its funny..... The assumption that Trump will get weaker as the field consolidates. The media and the pundits have been proven wrong on this over and over now. They still don't understand that not ALL people that like another candidate, hate Trump.
3/22/2016 1:45 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 3/22/2016 12:16:00 PM (view original):
Posted by raucous on 3/22/2016 12:06:00 PM (view original):
Utah missionaries part of injured people in the bombing in Belgium. The story was released around 8 am MDT. I wonder how the results will change from the polling predictions?
Zero change. Cruz walks away with Utah without a problem. Trump has no shot at Utah.

Arizona on the other hand...but, you know, Arizona didn't recognize MLK day until the 1990's. Not surprising the state is full of Trump voters.
Trump wins 58 Arizona delegates tonight. Cruz will win Utah but if it's not by 50% or more the 40 delegates are proportional.... He is polling at 53% in Utah so the Belgium Bombings could impact that 3-4% change to push Cruz under 50% (assuming they think Trump or Kasich are better suited to handle that issue, and assuming they care about that issue). I think Cruz still gets 40 tonight, Donald 58.
3/22/2016 1:53 PM
Posted by moy23 on 3/22/2016 1:53:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 3/22/2016 12:16:00 PM (view original):
Posted by raucous on 3/22/2016 12:06:00 PM (view original):
Utah missionaries part of injured people in the bombing in Belgium. The story was released around 8 am MDT. I wonder how the results will change from the polling predictions?
Zero change. Cruz walks away with Utah without a problem. Trump has no shot at Utah.

Arizona on the other hand...but, you know, Arizona didn't recognize MLK day until the 1990's. Not surprising the state is full of Trump voters.
Trump wins 58 Arizona delegates tonight. Cruz will win Utah but if it's not by 50% or more the 40 delegates are proportional.... He is polling at 53% in Utah so the Belgium Bombings could impact that 3-4% change to push Cruz under 50% (assuming they think Trump or Kasich are better suited to handle that issue, and assuming they care about that issue). I think Cruz still gets 40 tonight, Donald 58.
Um, ok. Trump looks like he'll be at somewhere between 1000 and 1050 delegates on June 6th. Unless he massively over performs in CA on June 7th, he's up **** creek. He'll pull into Cleveland with less than 1200 delegates and will watch the GOP snake the nomination away from him.
3/22/2016 2:25 PM
Posted by moy23 on 3/22/2016 1:37:00 PM (view original):
Posted by silentpadna on 3/22/2016 11:57:00 AM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 3/22/2016 6:48:00 AM (view original):
A CNN/ORC poll that surveyed 397 Republicans from March 17-20 found that 47 percent supported Trump. Texas Sen. Ted Cruz came in second with 31 percent and Ohio Gov. John Kasich placed third with 17 percent.



A New York Times/CBS News poll found that 46 percent of 362 Republican primary voters surveyed March 17-20 supported Trump. 26 percent supported Cruz and 20 percent were for Kasich.
He's never gotten that much in a single state. Those numbers seem off to me. Contested or brokered convention seems well on the way.
44% Alabama
49% Massachusetts
41% Louisiana
47% Mississippi
40% North Carolina
46% Florida
41% Missouri


And those are with Rubio in the race. Maybe a portion of Marco's voters are going to Trump. Everyone makes the mistake of assuming Trump has zero allure with these voters.
I stand corrected; he's obviously been close to the mark a few times.

I don't make the mistake regarding the allure he has with other candidate's voters; I know he has it...I just don't understand it.

I'm not interested in electing a juvenile bully - even if he's (supposedly) "our bully". The guy is a fraud. He'll never build that wall. He won't "bring the iPhone" and its jobs home. He's crony-capitalist himself. He may understand how to make (some of) his businesses work, but he's clueless about economics. He has no grasp of foreign policy whatsoever in spite of being right that the Iran deal was a complete disaster. He is right about tapping into voter frustration regarding illegal immigration, but has no actual means of "fixing" it. Everything that pro-Trump people complain about politicians regarding being bought and sold applies to Trump - except that he's always been a buyer. I could care less if he doesn't "sell". That's only for voters. If that didn't help him win votes for the ill-informed, he would not be using that tired line. Nothing is his past suggests he would not have his own interests at the forefront while in office and end being bought while in. Way more lobby money is spent on seated politicians than those trying to get elected anyway and he knows this. Corporations lobby whoever it is in office and donate to both sides. He's a fraud.

He is the frontrunner, but nowhere near the frontrunner Romney, McCain or anyone in recent history have been.

Yes, I hope for a contested convention. I don't want this guy anywhere being commander in chief, telling soldiers to break the law just because he says so (with respect to his torture comments in the debate....).
3/22/2016 2:35 PM
3/22/2016 2:50 PM
Trump hasn't even started on the US Military yet.
3/22/2016 3:52 PM
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