Posted by MikeT23 on 1/22/2016 9:30:00 AM (view original):
To be clear, I'm pro-choice and for the death penalty.   I don't discriminate on who dies.

...and I am pro-life.  That means anti-abortion and anti death penalty. People who are anti-abortion and pro death penalty are often times mislabeled as "pro-life".   You can't be pro-life when you support killing of people.

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I'm anti-abortion but pro-choice...  Sure, I don't like abortion.  But you know what I like even less?  The government telling people what to do.

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/22/2016 9:30:00 AM (view original):
To be clear, I'm pro-choice and for the death penalty.   I don't discriminate on who dies.

That's odd...

Since DNA evidence started to play a prominent role in the legal process, dozens of people have been pulled off death row after having been found not guilty (obviously not all on the strength of DNA evidence, but many).  Given the small proportion of cases that are re-opened or for which DNA evidence had actually been preserved, it seems fairly likely that at least dozens more have been executed or remain on death row who are also not guilty.  That's extremely conservative.  And in the history of our nations, we've surely executed at least hundreds, if not thousands, of American citizens for crimes they didn't commit.

I could have sworn that a week or so ago you asked if I'd restrict immigration to save one American life.  It was certainly implied that you would.  If you're so worried about pursuing policy that dumps resources into preserving every single innocent American life, I'd think you would be opposed to the death penalty.  My guess would be that more innocent American lives have been lost to capital punishment in the past decade than domestic terrorism.

That's cool.   Did you get a student loan?

My guess would be that more innocent American lives have been lost to capital punishment in the past decade than domestic terrorism.

That's a bit of a stretch I think, though I do get your point.

Well, you never answered that question so I assumed you weren't interested.

I'll ask again, if building a giant wall and restricting immigration would save your fiancee's life, would you be for it?


Now I'll respond to you long-winded book.   Once a choir boy ends up on death row, maybe I'll change my mind.   But the people on death row aren't good people.  Maybe they didn't commit the crime they were convicted of but they did something to become a suspect. 

Posted by raucous on 1/22/2016 3:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/22/2016 9:30:00 AM (view original):
To be clear, I'm pro-choice and for the death penalty.   I don't discriminate on who dies.

...and I am pro-life.  That means anti-abortion and anti death penalty. People who are anti-abortion and pro death penalty are often times mislabeled as "pro-life".   You can't be pro-life when you support killing of people.

I'm anti-abortion and pro-death penalty.

Save the innocent, kill the guilty.

Of course, abortion wouldn't even be necessary if people used birth control.

Posted by dahsdebater on 1/22/2016 6:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/22/2016 9:30:00 AM (view original):
To be clear, I'm pro-choice and for the death penalty.   I don't discriminate on who dies.

That's odd...

Since DNA evidence started to play a prominent role in the legal process, dozens of people have been pulled off death row after having been found not guilty (obviously not all on the strength of DNA evidence, but many).  Given the small proportion of cases that are re-opened or for which DNA evidence had actually been preserved, it seems fairly likely that at least dozens more have been executed or remain on death row who are also not guilty.  That's extremely conservative.  And in the history of our nations, we've surely executed at least hundreds, if not thousands, of American citizens for crimes they didn't commit.

I could have sworn that a week or so ago you asked if I'd restrict immigration to save one American life.  It was certainly implied that you would.  If you're so worried about pursuing policy that dumps resources into preserving every single innocent American life, I'd think you would be opposed to the death penalty.  My guess would be that more innocent American lives have been lost to capital punishment in the past decade than domestic terrorism.

This. The justice system is flawed. It makes no sense to kill people when there is a very real likelihood that innocent people have and will be convicted.

Posted by dahsdebater on 1/22/2016 6:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/22/2016 9:30:00 AM (view original):
To be clear, I'm pro-choice and for the death penalty.   I don't discriminate on who dies.

That's odd...

Since DNA evidence started to play a prominent role in the legal process, dozens of people have been pulled off death row after having been found not guilty (obviously not all on the strength of DNA evidence, but many).  Given the small proportion of cases that are re-opened or for which DNA evidence had actually been preserved, it seems fairly likely that at least dozens more have been executed or remain on death row who are also not guilty.  That's extremely conservative.  And in the history of our nations, we've surely executed at least hundreds, if not thousands, of American citizens for crimes they didn't commit.

I could have sworn that a week or so ago you asked if I'd restrict immigration to save one American life.  It was certainly implied that you would.  If you're so worried about pursuing policy that dumps resources into preserving every single innocent American life, I'd think you would be opposed to the death penalty.  My guess would be that more innocent American lives have been lost to capital punishment in the past decade than domestic terrorism.

  Nice try.  Totally forgettable.  Pretzel logic.  

 

Posted by bad_luck on 1/22/2016 7:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 1/22/2016 6:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/22/2016 9:30:00 AM (view original):
To be clear, I'm pro-choice and for the death penalty.   I don't discriminate on who dies.

That's odd...

Since DNA evidence started to play a prominent role in the legal process, dozens of people have been pulled off death row after having been found not guilty (obviously not all on the strength of DNA evidence, but many).  Given the small proportion of cases that are re-opened or for which DNA evidence had actually been preserved, it seems fairly likely that at least dozens more have been executed or remain on death row who are also not guilty.  That's extremely conservative.  And in the history of our nations, we've surely executed at least hundreds, if not thousands, of American citizens for crimes they didn't commit.

I could have sworn that a week or so ago you asked if I'd restrict immigration to save one American life.  It was certainly implied that you would.  If you're so worried about pursuing policy that dumps resources into preserving every single innocent American life, I'd think you would be opposed to the death penalty.  My guess would be that more innocent American lives have been lost to capital punishment in the past decade than domestic terrorism.

This. The justice system is flawed. It makes no sense to kill people when there is a very real likelihood that innocent people have and will be convicted.

"Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good" - Voltaire

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/22/2016 6:42:00 PM (view original):
That's cool.   Did you get a student loan?

Me?  No.