Posted by bad_luck on 11/20/2015 1:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 11/20/2015 1:47:00 PM (view original):
Why would healthcare premiums always go up if Obamacare is magically reducing total healthcare costs?

Is that a flaw somewhere in the smoke and mirrors?

The population is growing, a large percentage of the population is aging, and there are more people using medical care.

The ACA is helping to reduce healthcare costs but it isn't magic. From 1999-2004, health insurance premiums rose 72%. They rose 34% from 2004-2009. They rose 26% from 2009-2014.

That's good. It demonstrates what has been occurring since Bush took Office. Obamacare wasn't fully implemented until 2014 so those #s mean nothing to me.

Also - premiums are one part of the equation. Deductibles are the other. Lower premiums = higher deductibles.

Posted by bad_luck on 11/20/2015 1:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 11/20/2015 1:47:00 PM (view original):
Why would healthcare premiums always go up if Obamacare is magically reducing total healthcare costs?

Is that a flaw somewhere in the smoke and mirrors?

The population is growing, a large percentage of the population is aging, and there are more people using medical care.

The ACA is helping to reduce healthcare costs but it isn't magic. From 1999-2004, health insurance premiums rose 72%. They rose 34% from 2004-2009. They rose 26% from 2009-2014.

Sounds like the growth in healthcare premiums started to slow down significantly in GWB's second term.  Interesting, huh?

Regardless . . . the ACA was supposed to contain and reduce healthcare costs.  It's not.  Do you know why?

No?

It's because the ACA DOES NOT ADDRESS THE ******* PROBLEM WITH THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM.

The ACA clearly contains provisions designed to contain costs. You admit that you lack the ability to evaluate those provisions, so stop ********.

Posted by bad_luck on 11/20/2015 2:09:00 PM (view original):
The ACA clearly contains provisions designed to contain costs. You admit that you lack the ability to evaluate those provisions, so stop ********.

Yet, despite the quotes you keep posting, there is no practical evidence, as in what people are actually experiencing, that supports the assertion that healthcare costs are going down.

Why do you support that is?  Could it just be rhetoric and lies?

Posted by tecwrg on 11/20/2015 2:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 11/20/2015 2:09:00 PM (view original):
The ACA clearly contains provisions designed to contain costs. You admit that you lack the ability to evaluate those provisions, so stop ********.

Yet, despite the quotes you keep posting, there is no practical evidence, as in what people are actually experiencing, that supports the assertion that healthcare costs are going down.

Why do you support that is?  Could it just be rhetoric and lies?

The ACA didn't go into full effect until 2014. I don't know what kind of turn around you expected the entire health care industry to take in one year. Maybe you should re-evaluate your expectations.

Posted by bad_luck on 11/20/2015 2:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 11/20/2015 2:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 11/20/2015 2:09:00 PM (view original):
The ACA clearly contains provisions designed to contain costs. You admit that you lack the ability to evaluate those provisions, so stop ********.

Yet, despite the quotes you keep posting, there is no practical evidence, as in what people are actually experiencing, that supports the assertion that healthcare costs are going down.

Why do you support that is?  Could it just be rhetoric and lies?

The ACA didn't go into full effect until 2014. I don't know what kind of turn around you expected the entire health care industry to take in one year. Maybe you should re-evaluate your expectations.

I'm guessing that because you're drinking the Kool Aid, your expectations is that healthcare costs are going to go go down over time and that we'll all live happily ever after.  Is that about right?

My expectations are that healthcare costs will continue to rise, and that the ultimate legacy of the ACA, when looked at through the lens of time at some point in the future, will be that it is a colossal clusterfuck.

I'm not drinking any kool aid. There is plenty that I don't like about the ACA. But the idea that it does nothing to address rising costs is a myth.

Posted by bad_luck on 11/20/2015 2:46:00 PM (view original):
I'm not drinking any kool aid. There is plenty that I don't like about the ACA. But the idea that it does nothing to address rising costs is a myth.

A myth backed by reality?

Interesting, Mr. Kool Aid.

Posted by tecwrg on 11/20/2015 2:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 11/20/2015 2:46:00 PM (view original):
I'm not drinking any kool aid. There is plenty that I don't like about the ACA. But the idea that it does nothing to address rising costs is a myth.

A myth backed by reality?

Interesting, Mr. Kool Aid.

The law does contain provisions designed to reduce healthcare costs.

You say they aren't good enough?

Ok. What would be good enough?

Oh yeah...you have no clue.

Posted by bad_luck on 11/20/2015 3:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 11/20/2015 2:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 11/20/2015 2:46:00 PM (view original):
I'm not drinking any kool aid. There is plenty that I don't like about the ACA. But the idea that it does nothing to address rising costs is a myth.

A myth backed by reality?

Interesting, Mr. Kool Aid.

The law does contain provisions designed to reduce healthcare costs.

You say they aren't good enough?

Ok. What would be good enough?

Oh yeah...you have no clue.

What is your level of confidence that the "provisions designed to reduce healthcare costs" will actually do so?

Confidence is decent considering the fact that they are already working (economist article) and were only implemented recently.

Posted by bad_luck on 11/20/2015 3:24:00 PM (view original):
Confidence is decent considering the fact that they are already working (economist article) and were only implemented recently.

In other words, you have no idea.  You're just taking it on faith from an article from a foreign magazine with a liberal bent that makes very generalized, non-specific claims that costs are dropping.

LOL.  Same old BL

Let us know when reality slaps you in the face.

No one knows for sure if they will work. But it's something. Which is a lot more than you or any republican has offered up.

Posted by bad_luck on 11/20/2015 3:44:00 PM (view original):
No one knows for sure if they will work. But it's something. Which is a lot more than you or any republican has offered up.

LOL.

BL, 3:24PM - ". . . considering the fact that they are already working".

BL, 3:44PM - "No one knows for sure if they will work".

The wind must have shifted direction.