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We can never become Greece. You'd know that if you actually worked in finance.
10/6/2015 2:12 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 10/6/2015 12:26:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 10/6/2015 12:15:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 10/6/2015 12:11:00 PM (view original):
And didn't you just argue that the government should raise taxes?
I did... I said if someone truly wants to do what needs to be done they'd have to increase taxes on everyone and reduce spending big time. Our spending programs continue to grow out of control and we know our tax revenues will not keep up in an economic downturn.

Do you see any candidates campaigning on that platform?
Is spending out of control?

Or has the deficit been shrinking the last few years?
Yes. Our major spending programs in particular are out of control.... Eventually austerity measures will have to be taken when we go into another recession, and we will. I'd prefer those austerity measures not be forced because we weren't prudent when we had the time and money to do so.

Saying, 'well the deficit is shrinking' is like a family that's underwater financially where the wife spent $1000 at bloomingdale's last month and then this month she spent $200... "Well I'm not spending as much at Bloomingdale's.... Aren't you proud of me??!!!" Lets not forget the fact that it's still a DEFICIT.
10/6/2015 2:14 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 10/6/2015 2:12:00 PM (view original):
We can never become Greece. You'd know that if you actually worked in finance.
Remember what greece was like before 2008:




The Greek economy was one of the fastest growing in the Eurozone from 2000 to 2007: during this period it grew at an annual rate of 4.2%, as foreign capital flooded into the country newly backed by the euro.[21] This capital inflow coincided with a higher budget deficit.[13]




Now look at the greek government reports explaining the cause of the crisis:





In January 2010, the Greek Ministry of Finance published the Stability and Growth Program 2010.[16] The report listed these five main causes for eruption of the current government-debt crisis:

GDP growth rates:
After 2008, GDP growth rates were lower than the Greek national statistical agency had anticipated. In the report, the Greek Ministry of Finance reported the need to improve competitiveness by reducing salaries and bureaucracy,[16] and the need to redirect much of its current governmental spending from non-growth sectors such as military into growth-stimulating sectors.

Government deficit:
Huge fiscal imbalances developed during the five years from 2004 to 2009: "the output increased in nominal terms by 40%, while central government primary expenditures increased by 87% against an increase of only 31% in tax revenues." In the report the Greek Ministry of Finance stated their aim to restore the fiscal balance of the public budget. They intended to implement permanent real expenditure cuts (meaning expenditures would only be allowed to grow 3.8% from 2009 to 2013, which was below the expected inflation at 6.9%). Overall revenues were expected to grow 31.5% from 2009 to 2013, secured not only by new, higher taxes but also by a major reform of the ineffective tax collection system.

Government debt-level:
Mainly deteriorated in 2009 due to the higher than expected government deficit and high debt-service costs. An urgent fiscal consolidation plan was needed to ensure that the deficit would decline to a level compatible with a declining debt-to-GDP ratio. The Greek government assessed that it was not enough to implement structural economic reforms, as the debt would still increase to an unsustainable level before the positive results of such reforms could be achieved. On this basis the government's report emphasized that in addition to implementing the needed structural economic reforms, there was an urgent need in the coming four-year period to implement packages of both permanent and temporary austerity measures (with a size relative to GDP of 4.0% in 2010, 3.1% in 2011, 2.8% in 2012 and 0.8% in 2013). Implementation of this entire package of structural reforms and austerity measures, in combination with an expected return of positive economic growth in 2011, would then result in the baseline deficit being forecast to decrease from €30.6 billion in 2009 to only €5.7 billion in 2013, while the debt-level relative to GDP would stabilize at 120% in 2010–2011 and begin declining again in 2012 and 2013.





Do you see any similarities? Why are you so hellbent on going down the same path?
10/6/2015 2:25 PM
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/scary-thought-could-america-become-the-next-greece-13341

^^^ this sums up my perspective perfectly.

"If U.S. policy makers and the public take away only one key lesson from what’s happening in Europe right now, it should be to put the budget on a path to balance during good times such as these. The alternative is much, much worse."







And with that I'm done. Not going to argue Greece with you again on the presidential race thread.
10/6/2015 2:38 PM (edited)
You don't get it. Greece's biggest problem was that it was on the Euro. We have our own currency, so we'll never be in danger of default.
10/6/2015 3:10 PM
Posted by moy23 on 10/6/2015 2:14:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 10/6/2015 12:26:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 10/6/2015 12:15:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 10/6/2015 12:11:00 PM (view original):
And didn't you just argue that the government should raise taxes?
I did... I said if someone truly wants to do what needs to be done they'd have to increase taxes on everyone and reduce spending big time. Our spending programs continue to grow out of control and we know our tax revenues will not keep up in an economic downturn.

Do you see any candidates campaigning on that platform?
Is spending out of control?

Or has the deficit been shrinking the last few years?
Yes. Our major spending programs in particular are out of control.... Eventually austerity measures will have to be taken when we go into another recession, and we will. I'd prefer those austerity measures not be forced because we weren't prudent when we had the time and money to do so.

Saying, 'well the deficit is shrinking' is like a family that's underwater financially where the wife spent $1000 at bloomingdale's last month and then this month she spent $200... "Well I'm not spending as much at Bloomingdale's.... Aren't you proud of me??!!!" Lets not forget the fact that it's still a DEFICIT.
That isn't a great analogy.

A better one would be a restaurant losing money while they spend money on marketing. They lose $1000 in January but sales climb and they only lose $200 in February and project to be in the black soon.

You'd suggest that they stop buying food or paying employees until the deficit goes away.

10/6/2015 3:18 PM
10/6/2015 7:59 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 10/6/2015 3:10:00 PM (view original):
You don't get it. Greece's biggest problem was that it was on the Euro. We have our own currency, so we'll never be in danger of default.
INSTANT CLASSIC!
10/6/2015 9:18 PM
Posted by DougOut on 10/6/2015 9:18:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 10/6/2015 3:10:00 PM (view original):
You don't get it. Greece's biggest problem was that it was on the Euro. We have our own currency, so we'll never be in danger of default.
INSTANT CLASSIC!
Yep. I had no idea a country had to be part of the eurozone to default on loan payments. I'm not even going to argue with BL that Argentina, Belize, Jamaica, and Ecuador who do not use the euro each defaulted twice in the last 17 years.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/07/01/map-greece-isnt-the-first-nation-to-default-on-a-sovereign-debt/
10/7/2015 12:51 AM
Puerto Rico's biggest problem was it was on the US Dollar!!!
10/7/2015 1:12 AM

Sen. Lindsey Graham wants federal aid for South Carolina floods — but doesn’t remember voting against Sandy relief for New Jersey

10/7/2015 5:15 AM
How is Trump fairing in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida?




A new Quinnipiac University Poll illustrates Trump’s leads in those latter three states, two of which are homes to Republican opponents Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, and John Kasich.

“Those who were waiting for Donald Trump’s campaign to collapse will need to wait longer, at least in the three key states of Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania,” said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll.

In Florida, Trump leads with 28%, followed by retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson with 16%. Rubio, a U.S. senator from the Sunshine State, is third at 14%. Bush, a former governor of Florida, is fourth at 12%, followed by businesswoman Carly Fiorina (7%) and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz (6%).

The Quinnipiac Poll in Ohio puts Trump first at 23%, with Carson second at 18%. Kasich, the sitting governor of Ohio, is third at 13%, followed by Cruz (11%), Fiorina (10%), Rubio (7%), and Bush (4%).

In Pennsylvania, Quinnipiac has Trump at 23%, Carson at 17%, and Rubio at 12%, followed by Fiorina (8%), Cruz (6%), and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (5%). Bush and former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee are both at 4%.
10/7/2015 8:29 AM
Posted by bronxcheer on 10/6/2015 7:59:00 PM (view original):
I WOULD OUTLAW THIS SKANK'S NETHER REGIONS!!!!!
10/7/2015 8:36 AM
Posted by moy23 on 10/7/2015 1:12:00 AM (view original):
Puerto Rico's biggest problem was it was on the US Dollar!!!
Essentially, yes.
10/7/2015 9:02 AM
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